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Why Congressional Republicans avoid the Obama Eligibility Issue
The Post & Email ^ | 5/2/2010 | John F. Sweeney

Posted on 05/02/2010 10:06:04 AM PDT by Menehune56

In discussions concerning the constitutional eligibility of Barrack Hussein Obama II for the office of President of the United States, many point out that if there were a real issue, the Republicans would have leveraged it in 2008 to retain control of the White House. But it was well-documented at the time, and additional documentation and analysis have established, that John McCain’s eligibility was in question as well. With that being the case, why would the Republicans nominate a candidate who might not be constitutionally eligible to serve in the office?

The answer may be a simple one – the 2008 race was going to the Democrats and the Republicans did not want a leading candidate for 2012 to lose or be roughed up during the campaign. So the solution – let the man who needed to win in 2008, if he was ever going to be president, run – even if he might not be constitutionally eligible. Was this a grand conspiracy by the Republican Party? No, it was just simple pragmatic political strategy.

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Subtitle: Did The Republican Party Purposely Allow An Ineligible Candidate To Run For President In 2008? Interesting explanation for why our leaders are trying not to see the emperor's new clothes
1 posted on 05/02/2010 10:06:05 AM PDT by Menehune56
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To: Menehune56

That theory is pure BS
Good Lord we are not that stupid


2 posted on 05/02/2010 10:09:07 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: RWGinger

Indeed.


3 posted on 05/02/2010 10:13:24 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Menehune56

because it is stupid, started by democrat berg who is a nut, does not benefit politically....etc....etc.... etc....


4 posted on 05/02/2010 10:14:38 AM PDT by GoMonster (GO)
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To: Menehune56

Riiiiiight. The eligibility of John McCain, born to his mother (a U.S. natural born citizen) while his father (a U.S. natural born citizen) was serving in the U.S. military, was in doubt. Riiiiight.


5 posted on 05/02/2010 10:16:22 AM PDT by PackerBoy (Just my opinion ....)
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To: Menehune56

If true, treasonous.


6 posted on 05/02/2010 10:18:57 AM PDT by MizSterious ("Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -JFK)
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To: PackerBoy; Menehune56
You were saying ...

Riiiiiight. The eligibility of John McCain, born to his mother (a U.S. natural born citizen) while his father (a U.S. natural born citizen) was serving in the U.S. military, was in doubt. Riiiiight.

You may not realize it... but that's the stance that some of the birthers (here on Free Republic) take on John McCain, that he was not qualified per the Constitution, just like Obama was not qualified per the Constitution.

I've had FReepers tell me that they refused to vote for John McCain because he was not qualified per the Constitution.

That's not my stance, as I did vote for John McCain and Sarah Palin ... :-)

I'm just letting you know that you've got a good number of Freepers here who say it also pertains to John McCain, so it's just not some nutty liberal group who may think so ...

7 posted on 05/02/2010 10:23:17 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Menehune56

There is NO QUESTION that John McCain meets the Constitutional requirements.

None at all!


8 posted on 05/02/2010 10:28:23 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Menehune56
But it was well-documented at the time, and additional documentation and analysis have established, that John McCain’s eligibility was in question as well. With that being the case, why would the Republicans nominate a candidate who might not be constitutionally eligible to serve in the office?

They nominated him, because they knew those questioning his eligibility were wrong.

9 posted on 05/02/2010 10:34:20 AM PDT by Kleon
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To: Menehune56
a leading candidate for 2012

???? Really ? McCain ? Why not wait until he's ten years older ?

10 posted on 05/02/2010 10:38:15 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: Kansas58; Menehune56
You were saying ...

There is NO QUESTION that John McCain meets the Constitutional requirements.

As I was saying up above, you've got some of the FReepers (they're a "subset" of the birthers) who will argue strongly against you on that one.

The argument is not mine; I'm just saying there are FReepers who do maintain that and who refused to vote for John McCain on that basis, alone.

11 posted on 05/02/2010 10:38:24 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Menehune56
Was the Republican Party aware of John McCain’s potential eligibility issue? Of course it was. The issue was written about by major news organizations – The New York Times, The Washington Post. They wrote about it in 1998. They again wrote about it in 2008. In February of 2008 the Panama issue was written about by these and other major news outlets. And unlike the mocking and sarcastic tone used when writing about Obama’s eligibility issues, these articles are written in serious journalistic fashion and raise the possibility of a constitutional crisis should McCain be elected.

-PJ

12 posted on 05/02/2010 10:47:06 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To: PackerBoy

McCain’s eligibility is not now & has never been the issue.

The issue is the Kenyan.


13 posted on 05/02/2010 10:47:27 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Kansas58
There is NO QUESTION that John McCain meets the Constitutional requirements.

If that is so, then why did he press the Senate to put together something to declare him a "natural born citizen" before he declared his candidacy??????? There clearly were questions ---

14 posted on 05/02/2010 10:51:54 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip
It was Mc Cain who requested the Senate to clarify his eligibility?

I thought it was the dems who brought it up?

15 posted on 05/02/2010 10:56:51 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: Menehune56

Because they’re not that stupid and it’s a moot point anyway.


16 posted on 05/02/2010 11:00:49 AM PDT by dr_who
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To: Las Vegas Ron

It was in the works for months. The date of passage of this SR511 is the date that his candidacy began to take off.


17 posted on 05/02/2010 11:04:02 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: dr_who

No kidding, the Constitution has been irrelevant for a long time, why should it matter now?


18 posted on 05/02/2010 11:05:20 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: Menehune56
100 years ago, we all pitied the village idiot
50 years ago, we quoted him in newspapers anxious for more circulation
20 years ago we put his sound bites on TV
Now, he has a keyboard and website.

(And 18 months ago, we elected him Prezidet.)

19 posted on 05/02/2010 11:05:34 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Prezdet Obama is what you get when you let the O.J. jury select a president !)
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To: PackerBoy; Menehune56

You are both wrong.

McCain was born in Colon, Republic of Panama.

All of us kids who were born in the Canal Zone knew we could never run for president.

Worse, McCain was not only not born in the CZ, he was born in foreign country.

Where have you been hiding?

Were you born in the CZ and lived here? Obviously not. You have no idea about what you are talking.

You are embarrassingly misinformed.


20 posted on 05/02/2010 11:05:56 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Uncle Chip
For some reason I recall reading it was Hillary or her people that brought it up first and that was why Mc Cain was vetted for eligibility.

Oh well, I guess it really doesn't matter now anyway. Thanks for your reply.

21 posted on 05/02/2010 11:09:39 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: Menehune56

Fact is the Republicans still have hopes of getting the black vote,even though it is provent they never will get it. They remain quiet for just that reason, they dont want to appear as racist.They dont want the media coming down on them with both feet in a fight over Obama’s legitimacy, because win or lose the country doesnt need the race riots it would cause.


22 posted on 05/02/2010 11:10:04 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Menehune56

Obama and his puppet masters were behind the “McCain’s not a citizen” discussion.

AND NO ONE ANYWHERE OTHER THAN SOME ‘WE THE PEOPLES’ TOOK A LOOK AT OBAMA’S “ELIGIBILITY.” The Republicans REFUSED to do their duty.

The Senate NEVER SHOULD HAVE ALLOWED Obama to be seated in their assembly without verifying his eligibility.

BLAME IT ON REPUBLICANS IN THE SENATE FOR BEING STOOGES.


23 posted on 05/02/2010 11:12:27 AM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (SPEAK UP REPUBLICANS, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU YET! IMPEACH OBAMA!)
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To: RWGinger

The GOP is stupid enough to nominate McCain—the guy who undermined a GOP majority in both houses while having a GOP president...don’t tell me the GOP isn’t that stupid!

If they aren’t stupid then they did it all on purpose.

And that puts it into a whole different category.


24 posted on 05/02/2010 11:13:18 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: Menehune56
I thought it was due to cowardice, stupidity and failure.
25 posted on 05/02/2010 11:14:16 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
I don't have the primary sources here, but I have read repeatedly that Natural Born Citizen applies when both parents are citizens and they are abroad in the service of their county. I know that Wikipedia may not be the best reference, but this is what they say:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen_of_the_United_States

According to an April 2000 report by the Congressional Research Service, most constitutional scholars interpret Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution as including citizens born outside the United States to parents who are U.S. citizens under the “natural born” requirement.

26 posted on 05/02/2010 11:18:30 AM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: Las Vegas Ron
For some reason I recall reading it was Hillary or her people that brought it up first and that was why Mc Cain was vetted for eligibility.

At his request perhaps??? Why didn't he then just say: "No Thanks -- I'm a natural born citizen -- no doubt about it -- I don't need a resolution."??

Instead, in order to get the resolution, he reportedly pulled out his birth certificate and showed it to the Senate committee to prove where he was born. Why did he do that if he didn't need the resolution???

27 posted on 05/02/2010 11:21:40 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Eagle Eye

I would not defend the GOP for mcCain. I do think the media played a huge role and I think the ABB( anyone but Bush) emotion played a role.

Even with all that McCain got quite a few votes so if the GOP’s maser plan was to let a idiot like 0dumbo win their strategy was suspect.

How can anyone defend the tactic of encouraging your oppostion to win? i don’t buy it.
I buy bad decisions, I buy mismanagement of a campaign, I buy MSM campaigning for 0dumbo. I buy people being sold the “ It ia all Bush’s fault” blame game.


28 posted on 05/02/2010 11:22:12 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Menehune56

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29 posted on 05/02/2010 11:32:31 AM PDT by SweetCaroline (He is the Antichrist that denieth the Father and the Son. 1-John 2:22)
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To: Fractal Trader

Again, take it from us who were born in the CZ with of both parents Americans.

I knew an American woman (her husband was also American) who always travel to the US to give birth in the event her children wanted to run for president of the US. Can I become anymore clearer?

By the way, I have never heard of any one of us who went through our great school system running for a political office in the US. We were above that crookedness and had better things to accomplish.


30 posted on 05/02/2010 11:35:20 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Uncle Chip
Instead, in order to get the resolution, he reportedly pulled out his birth certificate and showed it to the Senate committee to prove where he was born.

Proves what kind of fool he is, he should have just posted a copy on the web!

Seriously, you make good points, at least he pulled out verifiable documents, that's a he!! of a lot more than the usurper will do.

Now the 60k question is, why didn't bammie need a resolution too?

This whole thing has me so frustrated, it's the Twilight Zone in living color.

31 posted on 05/02/2010 11:41:06 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: Fractal Trader

travel = traveled


32 posted on 05/02/2010 11:42:44 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Menehune56

It’s the “go along to get along” syndrome.

Trust, but verify!

And that goes double for Dems and RINO’s!


33 posted on 05/02/2010 11:44:02 AM PDT by airborne ("It's a great day for hockey!" - 'Badger' Bob Johnson (RIP))
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To: Menehune56

This is pure unadulterated poppycock!

“the 2008 race was going to the Democrats and the Republicans did not want a leading candidate for 2012 to lose or be roughed up during the campaign.”

Republicans don’t plan that well, but by the law of unintended consequences they managed to get Sarah Palin destroyed for 2012. Most of the time stuff just happens.


34 posted on 05/02/2010 11:47:08 AM PDT by Keflavik76 (It's an Obama Nation, pray for America.)
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To: RWGinger

Obama was a terribly weak candidate. Terribly weak.

And yet somehow McCain found a way to lose to him.

I think McCain has found a comfortable niche in compromise for his own benefit since his Navy days.


35 posted on 05/02/2010 11:58:22 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: Uncle Chip; Polarik
Instead, in order to get the resolution, he reportedly pulled out his birth certificate and showed it to the Senate committee to prove where he was born.

I looked at some of the materials on Polarik's new web site dedicated to his upcoming book (http://www.youtube.com/TheDrRJP), and he presents evidence that McCain's BC was doctored to make it appear that he was born in the Panama Canal Zone, rather than on a hospital in Panama proper. His evidence looks reasonable and it coincides with what was thought to be the real truth about the situation.

36 posted on 05/02/2010 12:01:56 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: Uncle Chip
If that is so, then why did he press the Senate to put together something to declare him a "natural born citizen" before he declared his candidacy?

Because he knew Obama was ineligible. They all know.

37 posted on 05/02/2010 12:04:02 PM PDT by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenerio at a time.)
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To: Fractal Trader

There are court cases in which military bases were determined not to be sovereign territory, and so whether McCain was born on or off base is immaterial and a distraction. There was and is a lot of that going around, for both McCain and Obama, with no small amount of it emanating from or being embroidered by this shady Polland character. Panama didn’t cede that territory to us, and to them it was returned.


38 posted on 05/02/2010 12:10:39 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Uncle Chip

Because he knew some people would not understand the law, so he tried to clear the air, ahead of time!

Yes, there are stupid people who will have questions, but as a matter of law, there is no question about the eligibility of McCain.


39 posted on 05/02/2010 12:11:24 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: LucyT

Be ready for a SP attack!!!


40 posted on 05/02/2010 12:20:45 PM PDT by danamco (")
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To: Menehune56
The Republicans didn't press Obama on his eligibility because it would have been very damaging politically and possibly to physical property and life.

The liberals and leftists have made racism and any hint of racism so damaging and radioactive that any direct, damaging attack on Barack Obama would either have been political suicide and/or the beginning of 1960's style race riots.

Since a growing majority of Americans are blissfully ignorant of Constitutional principles, this threat was all the more real as such an attack would have seemed unwarranted and fueled by bigotry only.

On the other hand, many patriotic Americans would have endured those things not to have elected a usurper.

But, if the Republicans lost too many seats, then the possibility of stopping the Democrat Party became only a remote possibility for the foreseeable future.

41 posted on 05/02/2010 12:22:36 PM PDT by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenerio at a time.)
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To: Menehune56

Republicans didn’t bring it up because they are first rate spineless wimps, frightened to death of being accused of raaaaacism. Much easier and safer to hide under your desk...like Mitchie the kid McConnell.


42 posted on 05/02/2010 12:28:59 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: Eagle Eye

eye
You might think 0dumbo was weak but you were alone and you couldn’t have paid any attention to the media coverage of him. not coverge, worshiping of him, hours and hours of his campaign showing the POS promising everything to every Dem/ Lib group, A dem party tired of coming in second. Don’t the screaming crying crowds.
Weak? he was one of the strongest candidate’s the Dems ever fielded aided by a fawning MSM.


43 posted on 05/02/2010 12:34:09 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Menehune56

That article is bs pure and simple. McCain had no support and was on his way home supposedly; only the public didn’t know the democrats and I am assuming Republicans had already set the wheels in motion for a selected election.

Why do they keep lying to us?


44 posted on 05/02/2010 12:37:54 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Star Traveler; All

“I’ve had FReepers tell me that they refused to vote for John McCain because he was not qualified per the Constitution.”

The strength of forums like FR are also, to a lesser extent, it weakness. This forum has people of many different opinions and the only thing they agree on is their dislike of the Left side of politics.

Grab any ten Freepers at random and as them what they think about a particular issue....you will get eleven opinions.


45 posted on 05/02/2010 12:42:07 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: LucyT

One that has been told to stay off eligibility threads is already in!!!


46 posted on 05/02/2010 12:54:51 PM PDT by danamco (")
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To: Menehune56
He confuses the two questions: "Was McCain eligible?" and "Could McCain make an issue out of Obama's eligibility?"

McCain was eligible, but because of the circumstances of his birth, he wasn't in a position to push the Obama birth certificate issue.

If his own birth certificate said "Colon, Panama" he couldn't make an issue out of Obama's birthplace.

But candidates don't usually do that themselves. It was up to the public to press the issue.

In practice that usually means the media. And of course, they didn't. State legislatures might also have made it an issue, but they didn't.

There's a constitutional question involved -- if Hawaii certifies that they have Obama's birth certificate can another state try to get around their attestation?

Also, lawyers don't like to ask questions they don't know the answers to. If they don't know what they'll find, people with a stake in the matter tend not to press things.

47 posted on 05/02/2010 12:57:51 PM PDT by x
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To: RWGinger

He was weak and the media coverage proved it.

He had no resume, no back ground, no accomplishments.

Obama was not Bush. Period.

McCain was a weak candidate and barely lost despite all the obama media worship.

McCain practically had to throw his whole campaign in order to lose the race.


48 posted on 05/02/2010 1:00:44 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: Menehune56
The truth is much simpler. The higher echelons of either party never doubted their candidate was eligible. Neither, apparently, did any individual state's election officials, any elector, or any of those certifying the election. And that's with all these issues everyone is carrying on about known as stipulated facts (McCain not born in the US, Obama having a foreign national father). So at worst, it was an understandable mistake given the number of people who made it.

At best, it ought to prompt some reconsideration of the viability of this issue.

49 posted on 05/02/2010 1:04:19 PM PDT by tired_old_conservative
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To: Eagle Eye

Eagle
he was weak to you only because you took the time to read his thin resume and read his positions. His weakness to you was his ideology. To his masses THAT was a strength
He was the Messiah to him millions of worshippers which as you pointed out included the media.


50 posted on 05/02/2010 1:09:49 PM PDT by RWGinger
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