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Three dead as Greek strike grows violent (Eventually a strongman will have to quell this disorder)
CNN ^ | 05/05/2010 | CNN Wire Staff

Posted on 05/05/2010 6:29:08 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Athens, Greece (CNN) -- Police sirens and the smell of tear gas filled the streets around Greece's parliament building Wednesday after protests against government spending cuts turned violent, then deadly.

Three people died and four others were trapped when a fire bomb hit a bank in central Athens, the Greek fire brigade told CNN. The victims, two women and a man, were bank employees, they said.

Bins and cars were set on fire around the city. Two public buildings were on fire and a fire truck was ablaze near the Temple of Zeus, the fire brigade said.

Riot police in helmets and shields kept back protesters who threw bottles, sticks, and rocks. Booms pierced the air every time the police fired canisters of tear gas at the crowds.

A mass of protesters made it onto the steps in front of the Greek parliament building early in the afternoon before riot police pushed them back.

Members of the parliamentary economic committee are inside the building reviewing a package of austerity measures to contain Greece's spiraling debt. The measures are highly unpopular in Greece and the protesters on the steps demanded that the lawmakers come outside and face them.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anarchists; debt; greece; greenpeace; riots; strike; students
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1 posted on 05/05/2010 6:29:09 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The Road to Serfdom?


2 posted on 05/05/2010 6:30:11 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SeekAndFind

The frightening thing is the fact that we aren’t far from seeing the same here at the hands of the SEIU/ACORN crowd and their inciter in the white house.


3 posted on 05/05/2010 6:31:05 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: SeekAndFind




4 posted on 05/05/2010 6:32:18 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
I hope the Germans have a better plan for how to deal with a little trouble in the Balkans this time. The last two times they headed down there to quell local violence got messy.
5 posted on 05/05/2010 6:32:26 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: cripplecreek

Yes, that’s the idea-We’ll kill the people that are actually
working!


6 posted on 05/05/2010 6:32:42 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: SeekAndFind

Gordon Brown won’t have a job next week. We’ll send him over to take firm control of the Greek economy.


7 posted on 05/05/2010 6:32:45 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: SeekAndFind

Entitlement Zombies.

When do they start using real bullets?


8 posted on 05/05/2010 6:32:58 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com << Get your science fiction and fiction test marketed)
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To: SeekAndFind

well if the Greeks were armed, it would be self quelling. No strong man needed.

Who new giant government salaries and huge government retirement pensions, none of which were sustainable, would lead to ruin.


9 posted on 05/05/2010 6:33:24 AM PDT by Tarpon ( ...Rude crude socialist Obama depends on ignorance to force his will on people)
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To: GonzoGOP
I hope the Germans have a better plan for how to deal with a little trouble in the Balkans this time. The last two times they headed down there to quell local violence got messy.

There will have to arise, a new Fuhrer to quell this violence and disorder.
10 posted on 05/05/2010 6:33:38 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Tarpon
well if the Greeks were armed, it would be self quelling

No, if the Greeks were armed KKE would be in power tomorrow.

11 posted on 05/05/2010 6:35:43 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Let tyrants shake their iron rod, and slavery clank her galling chains)
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To: SeekAndFind

I love watching leftist socialists act out in violence...simply makes the ‘right wing’ extremism and violence rhetoric in this country the more ludicrous. Further, the Greek situation once again shows the utter failure of social and union based incentives and programs....America should take heed....


12 posted on 05/05/2010 6:35:50 AM PDT by cranked
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To: SeekAndFind

Strongman? HOw so... the GReek LEO and military unions are just as united against austerity as the general populace, maybe even even more opposed to austerity as they have more to lose.


13 posted on 05/05/2010 6:36:09 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: SeekAndFind

Didn’t Plato pretty much predict this a few years back?


14 posted on 05/05/2010 6:36:50 AM PDT by B Knotts (Impeach Obama)
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To: SeekAndFind
There will have to arise, a new Fuhrer to quell this violence and disorder.

I was kind of hoping for a new Kaiser. Willy II wasn't quite a crazy as the other guy.
15 posted on 05/05/2010 6:37:28 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Bank employees, poor innocents. RIP poor souls.

Same type of anarchy Bill Ayers and his wife Bernadine and their red diaper rich communist rebel friends so hoped for in the 1980’s, and same type of innocents targeted. Police, bank guards, company employees, military personnel at their bases and anyone in the vicinity of the bombs.


16 posted on 05/05/2010 6:37:48 AM PDT by silverleaf
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To: SeekAndFind

Coming to America

O blames the banks for all our ills. They took away our houses, cars, retirement, and college funds.

Union thugs take over the lobbies of two NYC banks. Mayor Bloomers has no comment. They are allowed to disrupt bank business with impunity.

Next are the anarchists in our midst going to be setting banks on fire here too.

O is inciting violence in America that could very well spiral out of control.

All the while the dirtbag in chief is bashing republicans, teabaggers, and assorted other law abiding taxpaying, PATRIOTIC Americans.


17 posted on 05/05/2010 6:38:31 AM PDT by Carley (WE CAN SEE NOVEMBER FROM OUR HOUSE)
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To: GonzoGOP

Remember the words of Bismarck.”If there is to be a general war in Europe, it will be because of some damned fool thing in the Balkans.” My guess and fear is that Greece will develop a Chavez type strongman, blame the US for its problems and seek financial, economic, and military ties with Iran,Russia,and China.


18 posted on 05/05/2010 6:38:33 AM PDT by xkaydet65 (Never compromise with evil! Even in the face of Armageddon!! Rorshach)
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To: cripplecreek

Weather Underground visiting the WH regularly and running the Dept of Education


19 posted on 05/05/2010 6:38:52 AM PDT by silverleaf
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To: agere_contra

What is the mood in Britain concerning bailing out Greece, Spain, etc?


20 posted on 05/05/2010 6:39:15 AM PDT by alarm rider (The left will always tell you who they fear the most. What are they telling you now?)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Absolutely. "Keep my freebies flowing and destroy the country. Or I will kill you."

"Robin of Berkeley" nails the leftist thought "process" in "Liberals are from Mars, Conservatives are from Earth":

Conservatives can mistakenly assume that liberals think like they do, in a learned and rational way. This is an exercise in futility since liberalism is not based on logic.

To become a conservative, I've had to learn a whole new language, one based on reason. If conservatives want to understand the liberal mind, they should consider becoming bilingual too.

Liberals live in a stratosphere centered on emotions and magical thinking. If you've tried to reason with your daughter and she looks at you blankly; if your neighbor changes the subject during your compelling arguments; if your cousin says this about Obama, "I don't know why. I just like the guy." . . . that's why.

The Greeks have their own "magical thinking" and believe the free-flowing tap of goodies can continue forever without anybody actually producing it. Liberalism, marxism, communism and statism are inded all severe mental disorders.

21 posted on 05/05/2010 6:39:50 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: SeekAndFind

shades of Nostradamus


22 posted on 05/05/2010 6:39:54 AM PDT by silverleaf
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To: B Knotts
Didn’t Plato pretty much predict this a few years back?

I'm not too good in history, how many riots occurred during his time ?
23 posted on 05/05/2010 6:40:04 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: silverleaf

I love the smell of communist chaos in the morning. Popcorn at the ready.


24 posted on 05/05/2010 6:40:18 AM PDT by ZX12R
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To: SeekAndFind

Thousands of left-wing economists in the streets.


25 posted on 05/05/2010 6:40:32 AM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Jim Noble

I know of few communist nations where people have arms.


26 posted on 05/05/2010 6:41:13 AM PDT by Tarpon ( ...Rude crude socialist Obama depends on ignorance to force his will on people)
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To: SeekAndFind

Coming soon to a California city near you.


27 posted on 05/05/2010 6:43:12 AM PDT by tgusa (Investment plan: blued steel, brass, lead, copper)
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To: xkaydet65
My guess and fear is that Greece will develop a Chavez type strongman, blame the US for its problems and seek financial, economic, and military ties with Iran,Russia,and China.

And that is what will cause the general war. Greece will default on their loans and crash the German economy. When Germany tries to get their money back the Greeks will call on the Russians to intervene. Good thing we have a strong Poland between Russia and Germany. Oh wait Obama pulled out the missile interceptors and the Polish leadership all got killed in Russia. Its almost as if someone wanted to open up an obvious invasion path.
28 posted on 05/05/2010 6:44:50 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: GonzoGOP
Good thing we have a strong Poland between Russia and Germany.

A strong Poland requires a strong America behind her. We have all but abandoned the Poles and the Czechs in trying to appease Russia.
29 posted on 05/05/2010 6:46:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t get it. What is it with these people? They want free money and there is nothing left to give them? What would they have done during the depression, when most people had nothing and had to live on that?


30 posted on 05/05/2010 6:46:47 AM PDT by midnightcat
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To: GonzoGOP

Edit to add.... I just realize you were being sarcastic with that statement about a strong Poland.


31 posted on 05/05/2010 6:47:02 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
What I mean is that Plato understood the weakness of democracy.

See this FR thread from a few years back.

There is a reason the Founding Fathers formed a republic, and tried to limit democratic impulses. Granted, modern Greece is nominally a republic, but what we are seeing there is a result of rampant, unchecked democracy.

When people can vote themselves riches from the public treasury, who will act as a check?

32 posted on 05/05/2010 6:47:55 AM PDT by B Knotts (Impeach Obama)
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To: GonzoGOP

Greece defaults. The EU collapses into balkanized chaos. Rahmbo doesn’t want the ‘crisis’ to go to waste. 0 smiles smugly. Buckle up.


33 posted on 05/05/2010 6:48:24 AM PDT by tgusa (Investment plan: blued steel, brass, lead, copper)
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To: alarm rider
What's your mood about the bailout? The U.S. is paying the largest amount of IMF dues and has a big dog in this hunt. YOU are paying for the Greek hairdressers to retire at 50 because they are in "hazardous occupations." I kid you not.

And you thought you were done bailing out your neighbor on his mortgage because he was irresponsible and in way over his head! And you thought you were done forking over money to millions of people to buy new cars when you still drive your clunker! And you thought you were done buying new appliances for the whole country when yours are wheezing along due to your frugality and spendthrift, responsible ways. Thank you for your responsible lifestyle. If you like, I can loan you my shirt:


34 posted on 05/05/2010 6:50:21 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Carley
Coming to America

One thing we've got going for us - the second amendment. If people start fire-bombing banks and such, they'll be shot dead in the streets. Not necessarily by the cops but by concerned citizens instead. Dead people don't throw Molotov cocktails, the don't destroy other people's property, and they don't kill.

35 posted on 05/05/2010 6:51:00 AM PDT by meyer
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To: silverleaf
shades of Nostradamus

12/21/12

36 posted on 05/05/2010 6:55:37 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Marxist dictatorship or military junta seems to be the choice Greece will have to make.


37 posted on 05/05/2010 6:57:20 AM PDT by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir!)
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To: meyer

Judging from the violence in CA this past May DaY I would say you are incorrect. At least 18 businesses were damaged by the ‘mostly peaceful’ thugs on the streets.

No one did a thing about the thugs taking over the lobbies of two NYC banks.


38 posted on 05/05/2010 6:58:53 AM PDT by Carley (WE CAN SEE NOVEMBER FROM OUR HOUSE)
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To: alarm rider

The mood in Britain that I have come across is similar to the German model: i.e. ‘don’t bail those parasites out’.

Fortunately we are somewhat insulated from it because we don’t use the Euro. We have a fair amount of sovereign debt riding on the line , especially to Ireland, but our currency isn’t getting scragged by this. We can afford to point and laugh at the Greeks.


39 posted on 05/05/2010 6:59:13 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: cripplecreek

As I understand it, we sent $421.8 billion dollars to Europe in March:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2496737/posts?page=162#162

We find out later that Greece had a big chunk of that ...
MELTDOWN: Greece Gets $146 Billion Bailout [top of Drudge]
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aqUKEXajkSzk

DOWN THE RAT HOLE.


40 posted on 05/05/2010 6:59:36 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (We knew deep down it was this bad. Devour ugly truths with glee -- truth is our weapon.)
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To: xkaydet65

Yes, the 20th century began and ended with problems in the Balkans. It looks like the 21st century is starting the same way.

I also think Bismarck said the Balkans are not worth the life of one Pomeranian rifleman.


41 posted on 05/05/2010 7:01:11 AM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: GonzoGOP
The last two times they headed down there to quell local violence got messy.

Thank God it did, their intervention in Greece postponed Operation Barbarossa by a critical six weeks, they may very well had won the war had they attacked Russia on schedule.

42 posted on 05/05/2010 7:01:22 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Carley

“O blames the banks for all our ills. They took away our houses, cars, retirement, and college funds.”

There are a few posters on this board with the same mindset.


43 posted on 05/05/2010 7:01:24 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Chairman Mao was a community organizer)
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To: xkaydet65
My guess and fear is that Greece will develop a Chavez type strongman, blame the US for its problems and seek financial, economic, and military ties with Iran,Russia,and China.

My guess too.

44 posted on 05/05/2010 7:02:59 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: cripplecreek

The frightening thing is the fact that we aren’t far from seeing the same here at the hands of the SEIU/ACORN crowd and their inciter in the white house.

Yes, the hard Lefties in this country are always bemoaning the fact that they have not been successful in fostering “social movements” here. God help us if they ever succeed!


45 posted on 05/05/2010 7:03:28 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: meyer

One thing we’ve got going for us - the second amendment. If people start fire-bombing banks and such, they’ll be shot dead in the streets

Unless they do it at Citizens Bank Park. Then they’ll just be tazed.


46 posted on 05/05/2010 7:04:32 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind
"A strong man needed?"

The Greek military junta rule of 1967-1974 was known as the "regime of the Colonels".

It started in 1967 with a rightist coup d'etat led by a group of colonels of the Greek military. Their reign ended in 1974.

This was a culmination of decades of national division between the forces of Left and Right. After the liberation from the Axis powers in 1944 Greece had descended into civil war fought between the forces of the Communist-led Greek resistance and the now-returned Greek government-in-exile.

Just a revealing tidbit of post-WW2 Greek history.

Leni

47 posted on 05/05/2010 7:05:37 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Bill O'Reilly: 9/8/09: "Communism is not a threat to us anymore" - 10/20/09 "Obama is not a Marxist")
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To: agere_contra

Understood. Isn’t Britain part of the IMF?

I understand that Greece is asking for IMF funds as well. I could be mistaken.

Thanks for your observations and information.

Regards,
AR


48 posted on 05/05/2010 7:05:56 AM PDT by alarm rider (The left will always tell you who they fear the most. What are they telling you now?)
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To: alarm rider

Oh, yes we would be part of a successful bailout. But things have moved beyond that. It’s now quite obvious that no bailout will work politically in donor countries, nor will it work in Greece.

Our detachment arises from the fact that the completely hopeless status of any PIGS bailout is going to crush the Euro.

Which is hysterically funny to Conservatives and Euro-skeptics in Britain, because we fought for the Pound and we kept it in the teeth of left-wing opposition. And now our maimed and distressed currency suddenly looks like a safe harbor.

In a year’s time our football hooligans may be the only people who can afford to buy beer in Europe.


49 posted on 05/05/2010 7:14:27 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: SeekAndFind

The MSM must be working overtime to come up with a meme that can explain Greece as something other than the failure of Socialism. Then they’ve got to explain the other countries about to go down. Each will probably have its own particular explanation, and the dots go unconnected.


50 posted on 05/05/2010 7:17:44 AM PDT by Plutarch
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