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What Are The Best Ways To Defend Your Child Against Dumbing-Down??
FreeRepublic.com ^ | May 14, 2010 | Bruce Deitrick Price

Posted on 05/14/2010 12:23:51 PM PDT by BruceDeitrickPrice

A mother in Oregon left some provocative comments on an article I posted about dumbing-down. She didn’t like what was going on in her local school; neither did her children apparently. They were evolving ways to deal with this problem. Maybe there are ideas here that others can use.

People seem to assume there are two roads: homeschooling (which isn’t practical for millions of parents); or living with the nonsense (which is killing the country).

This mother’s “third way” was talking to her kids, explaining things, openly sharing her concerns, trying to undo damage as fast as it happens.

These quotations are from one parent. Please add ways you’ve dealt with dumbing-down. ---

“I ask them a lot of questions about what they are learning in school. I ask them what they are being told in history class. I ask them if the teacher has some kind of agenda they are pushing. If one of my kids has been told something weird, I correct it. If I am not sure of the answer, we research it together.”

“I feel like the school takes the very simplest concepts and make them so convoluted that kids can’t get around them sometimes.”

“My daughter was so upset with her homework that she was crying. Once I showed her the simple steps of solving the easy math problems made into a puzzle, she started doing them very quickly and angrily.”

“Both of our kids tell us (mom and dad) that they learn more from us here at home than they do at school. The really sad thing about that is we don’t spend that much time really teaching them. All we are doing is helping them with their homework or debriefing them when they come home brainwashed.”

“My daughter gets frustrated because she has to show her work for the simplest thing that she already knows--like 2 times 5 is 10. Neither one of us can understand why it isn’t enough to simply know the answer. Instead she has to waste her time making 2 groups of 5 little dots or x’s. She is doing all this silly busy work instead of moving on to meatier stuff.”

“I believe this is an insidious way of muddying things up and making a person second-guess their thinking and trick them into believing they are stupid and render them incapable of thinking for themselves.”

“My son can’t believe all the people he comes into contact with at school that simply have no clue, and the way the teachers lie to the students about history and current events is literally breathtaking.”

“I work with them about a lot of things and I either make them read or I read to them a lot. Reading is half the battle and the key to everything in life.”

“I don’t know if this is a dirty trick on my son or a survival thing--you decide. I told him to do whatever he has to do to get through the system and pass. Put down the answers they want to hear and play their game. It hurts, but remember this and it won’t hurt so much: They think they are winning. Let them think they are winning. Think of it as getting over on them as you quietly educate the friends and acquaintances of yours who will listen to reason and are strong enough to think for themselves.”

“Maybe that’s the answer. We infiltrate all their systems and change from within. Use all their own Gramscian planks and Alinsky rules against them to further OUR agenda. Maybe we need to use all their dirty tricks and rules against them and rebuild from within just as they destroy from within.” ---------------------------

[The Education Establishment is always claiming--dishonestly, I think--to teach something called “critical thinking.” But that is precisely what this mother is teaching her kids to do--think critically about their own education. Priceless....The link at top is to the article that prompted these comments: "The Secrets of Dumbing Down Revealed, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2505833/posts ]


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1 posted on 05/14/2010 12:23:51 PM PDT by BruceDeitrickPrice
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

#1) Remove your child from public school


2 posted on 05/14/2010 12:26:46 PM PDT by lionheart 247365 (-:{ GLEN BECK is 0bama's TRANSPARENCY CZAR }:-)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Home school


3 posted on 05/14/2010 12:27:55 PM PDT by ironwill (III - Molon Labe)
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To: lionheart 247365

Ha! That’s exactly what I was going to write! :-)

We’re homeschooling our three kids, FWIW.


4 posted on 05/14/2010 12:29:06 PM PDT by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Encourage them to read for the sake of reading. Recommend books to them. The trouble with schools is that so much of the lesson plan is indoctrination and “mental floss” of some form or another.


5 posted on 05/14/2010 12:30:29 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Homeschool. Keep them out of the typical public sports like soccer. Teach them yourself. Take them and do things.


6 posted on 05/14/2010 12:30:32 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: lionheart 247365; ironwill

You two beat me to it...remove your children from the clutches of public school and home school them. Or, a well chosen private school might be an option.


7 posted on 05/14/2010 12:30:45 PM PDT by highlander_UW (First we take down the Democrats, then we clean the Augean stable that is the GOP.)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
It's unfair and unreasonable to expect your 7 yr old to "fight the system." How much better to allow them to flourish & learn without that pressure, rather than offer them up to a KNOWN failed experiment?

Flee government schools.

8 posted on 05/14/2010 12:32:57 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: ironwill

Just WHY is homeschooling “impractical for millions of families”?

If it’s a priority, you’ll make it happen.

You can tell what you value by what you prioritize.

Free time?
Wife’s career?
Second income to support your lifestyle?
Cable TV?
Adult toys?
Expensive vacations?

or, homeschooling your kids.


9 posted on 05/14/2010 12:32:59 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: lionheart 247365

“#1) Remove your child from public school”

If this is practical, then do so; however, this is not always possible and when it isn’t, do as I (and the lady in this story) do: talk with your kids, show them the truth and be sure that your kids questions their teachers!

I was called to the school more than ten times (that’s how I knew I was doing a good job) to discuss my daughter’s refusal to accept the teacher’s point of view on things. During the last meeting, I asked the Principal if he wanted mind-numbed followers or students that wish to learn and really find the truth. He didn’t answer and I haven’t been called back to the school.

My daughter has a 104 in that class! She knows their answers, but always asks for clarifications and additional details. Other kids have started asking more questions in class too - she said the class has much more “conversation” about the history book and less “reading” of it!


10 posted on 05/14/2010 12:36:35 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (Hey Congress: Go Conservative or Go Home!)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

You could buy good books for the kids and make them write you book reports or hold “saturday” classes for an hour or two to ingrain a love of freedom and real facts about history and things.


11 posted on 05/14/2010 12:38:06 PM PDT by GeronL (Political Correctness Kills)
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To: MrB

I want to see cooperative homeschools.

Why can’t I be paid to homeschool other peoples kids too? Just a few should be OK.


12 posted on 05/14/2010 12:39:38 PM PDT by GeronL (Political Correctness Kills)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

“I believe this is an insidious way of muddying things up...”

That is exactly the reason. They do not want children to learn easily.

Education makes people easy to lead, difficult to drive but impossible to enslave.....................


13 posted on 05/14/2010 12:39:50 PM PDT by Red Badger (When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you'll know that its desolation is NEAR. Luke 21)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Homeschooling is good and I have personally been associated with some of the best products. One of my scouts was a twelve grade homeschoooler and National Merit Scholar.

To say an average mother is capable of doing a better job of educating than the schools system is a stretch. Many can but for many the kids will not be better off.

My view is that a proper course is to parallel teach. Follow the classes closely and implement and strengthen as required. Develop library skills,surfing skills, testing skills, political awareness skills ans interest and fun skills. All of the above strengthen and counter weakness.

The kid will be an adult and in the real world. To be kicked out into the world after a sheltered and unprepared for life will be a real shock. I’ve had first hand bad experience with scouts like that too. The realization dawns that part of life was missed. It can be a real problem with a teen.


14 posted on 05/14/2010 12:41:47 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Ostracize Democrats. There can be no Democrat friends.)
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To: Red Badger

“Education makes people easy to lead, difficult to drive but impossible to enslave.....................”

which is bad business for democrats.


15 posted on 05/14/2010 12:42:03 PM PDT by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: GeronL

There are no laws opposing private tutors, are there?

I don’t see how your proposal falls outside of that definition.

And yes, there are plenty of homeschool co-ops around.
We have “math nights”, etc, amongst the folks that homeschool.


16 posted on 05/14/2010 12:42:03 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
My daughter gets frustrated because she has to show her work for the simplest thing that she already knows--like 2 times 5 is 10.

Frustration is the proper response. There's a reason why multiplication tables are MEMORIZED: it's because, like addition and subtraction of single-digit numbers, they're one of the raw building blocks of higher math.

Eeesh.

17 posted on 05/14/2010 12:42:41 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: MrB

Feeding my children is a priority in my home.

Homeschooling is very commendable, but I find that homeschoolers tend to make the rest of us feel like bad parents.

Other kids are drawn to my sons...if I teach them properly (after I explained taxes to my six-year-old, his response was, “But that’s STEALING, Mom!”) perhaps they can actually help lead other children to the truth. Like I did in public school.

Do you have to be vigilant? Of course. Is it something that can be done properly, even if both parents have to work just to meet the house payment? Absolutely.


18 posted on 05/14/2010 12:44:29 PM PDT by RaiderRose (Obama has cured my husband's political apathy.)
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To: CodeToad

Is it legal for you to find someone who already is homeschooling & pair up with them? If you have to work- can you pay another mother or dad to homeschool your kid? Is that legal?


19 posted on 05/14/2010 12:44:39 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Red Badger
"That erroneous assumption is to the effort that the aim of public education is to fill the young of the species with knowledge and awaken their intelligence ... Nothing could be further from the truth. The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all; it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality. That is its aim in the United States, whatever the pretensions of politicians, pedagogues and other such mountebanks, and that is its aim everywhere else."
-H.L. Mencken
20 posted on 05/14/2010 12:45:46 PM PDT by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: MrB

Free time?
Wife’s career?
Second income to support your lifestyle?
Cable TV?
Adult toys?
Expensive vacations?

or, homeschooling your kids.”””

Can you & your spouse work on different shifts to homeschool the kids?


21 posted on 05/14/2010 12:45:52 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: GeronL

I want to see cooperative homeschools.

Why can’t I be paid to homeschool other peoples kids too? Just a few should be OK.”

A perfect term to use-a cooperative.

Might be worth talking to a lawyer.


22 posted on 05/14/2010 12:47:21 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: mrmeyer

Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama is trying to get them back..................


23 posted on 05/14/2010 12:48:46 PM PDT by Red Badger (When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you'll know that its desolation is NEAR. Luke 21)
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To: RaiderRose

There are places in the country where a house is affordable on one income. Seriously, there are.


24 posted on 05/14/2010 12:48:53 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: RaiderRose

“(after I explained taxes to my six-year-old, his response was, “But that’s STEALING, Mom!”)

LOL! Smart kid.


25 posted on 05/14/2010 12:49:09 PM PDT by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: GeronL

I am in Southern California, and there are so many wonderful options like co-ops. What we do isn’t “my vision” of what I want for homeschooling, but as a single mom who has to work and still wants to home school it’s the best of all worlds.
My daughter is in kindergarten - she goes to school 2x a week, and I home school 3x a week. There’s only 6 kids in her class.

It’s their curriculum (Bob Jones) - I’d like less workbook work, but for now, it really works for us. There are at least 4 other schools that are similar in style and substance nearby. The teachers and parents who help in subjects get paid based on how many kids are enrolled. Tuition is very minimal.

There are tons of options out there if people look for it. I agree with another poster - I don’t want my daughter to have to butt heads with a teacher because of what is taught in class is so different than what is taught (or allowed) at home.

I can’t imagine ever putting my daughter into a “normal” public or private school.


26 posted on 05/14/2010 12:50:53 PM PDT by porter_knorr (John Adams would be arrested for his thoughts on tyrants today!)
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To: ExTxMarine
Sorry ,,, but public are nothing more than indoctrination centers for prospective progressive yutes .
27 posted on 05/14/2010 12:51:13 PM PDT by lionheart 247365 (-:{ GLEN BECK is 0bama's TRANSPARENCY CZAR }:-)
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To: MrB

Free time?
Wife’s career?
Second income to support your lifestyle?
Cable TV?
Adult toys?
Expensive vacations?

how about none of the above. we cannot afford private school. as for homeschooling.... i have a high school diploma, an associates degree from a community college, and a 15yr old son who is way smarter than i am. he is in advanced math classes and NJROTC. those are things i cannot provide in a homeschooling situation. i also have a very active 4 yr old who needs plenty of my time and attention. she would be disruptive of any homeschooling. please do not assume that those of us who send our children to public school are selfish and more interested in our own pleasures than our children’s education. we are fortunate in that our public school is a small town, conservative district with parents who stay involved and engaged. we don’t sit down and let a bunch of alinsky-ites teach our kids that communism is great and personal responsibility is child abuse. we can improve the public school system if we get involved and hold the administrators responsible. demand a better education for your child in the system your tax dollars support.


28 posted on 05/14/2010 12:51:19 PM PDT by madamemayhem (defeat isn't getting knocked down, it's not getting back up)
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To: ridesthemiles

Not sure of your State or local laws, but that might become a daycare and be regulated.


29 posted on 05/14/2010 12:51:35 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: MrB

Yes, we can call in “My Home Tutoring” hhmmmm

Find an abled and trustworthy teacher and pay them a small fee (maybe pay by the week or month) to home school your kids. This person does not need to know the answer to everything, thats why teachers’ books have the answers after all.

Reading, Writing, Math etc... field trips to the zoo, the museum etc Sounds like a great idea to me.


30 posted on 05/14/2010 12:51:36 PM PDT by GeronL (Political Correctness Kills)
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To: Red Badger

“Lincoln freed the slaves.”

Actually, he didn’t. The 13th Amendment did that. They teach in public schools that Lincoln freed the slaves, but no.


31 posted on 05/14/2010 12:52:26 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
Private School, religious or Home School.
32 posted on 05/14/2010 12:53:09 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: CodeToad

I know.but it fits............


33 posted on 05/14/2010 12:54:58 PM PDT by Red Badger (When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you'll know that its desolation is NEAR. Luke 21)
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To: Angry_White_Man_Syndrome

Ping


34 posted on 05/14/2010 12:56:01 PM PDT by Hoosier Catholic Momma (Arkansas resident of Hoosier upbringing--Yankee with a southern twang)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Another reason for the separation of school and state.


35 posted on 05/14/2010 12:56:24 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Part of what I hate most about the institution of school is that it is an institution and people can not free themselves from the infrastructure. All that influence by your child’s peers is not necessary. The urban public high school ITSELF is a horrible thing to do to a child. Never mind what they are doing inside the classrooms.

Bells clanging, us-versus-them mentality, gates, imprisonment (especially if an act or G-d or of man occurs - try and get your child out if there was a shooting or an earthquake), walking in hordes, hall passes, drugs, competitive dressing, etc. I understand this treatment is necessary if someone has broken the law and SENTENCED to doing time, but otherwise, why do this to a good young person?


36 posted on 05/14/2010 12:58:29 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: MrB
Just WHY is homeschooling “impractical for millions of families”?

Right. Even a single mom could do it; she needs an in-home caregiver who will follow her instructions while she's not home, and she needs to do most of the schooling during the hours she is NOT working. You don't need much time. 3 hours a day is plenty.

37 posted on 05/14/2010 1:00:10 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

School, especially high school, was a hateful place when I went there.


38 posted on 05/14/2010 1:01:51 PM PDT by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: Yaelle

I do know some “single mom” homeschooling families.


39 posted on 05/14/2010 1:02:22 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
travel...visit museums...battlefields...read to and with them...get a globe...buy maps...talk about the world over dinner...There are a thousand ways to teach outside school.
40 posted on 05/14/2010 1:04:46 PM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon ("I'll try to be NICER, if you will try to be SMARTER!" ~ MNJohnnie, FReeper)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
I was taught to read phonetically in first grade parochial school. Dumped into the public school system in fourth grade -- knew I was on alien turf -- and "dropped out" for the next six years. Kept a book open under the edge of my desk (especially science fiction) and coasted through on 10% effort. I survived school -- but still am crippled by the habits acquired in the process of doing so.

Teach kids to read, and read to them. It takes about 30 hours of tutoring to teach a ready child to read, using Samuel Blumenfeld's Alphaphonics. Or, six+ years to produce a semi-literate book hater using "look say."

John Dewey bemoaned the negative effect that a love of books had on "socialization." His disciple Richard Gray took the concern to heart, and created a tool to prevent that dread event, the basal reader, starring his namesake Dick, plus Jane, plus Spot ...

41 posted on 05/14/2010 1:09:37 PM PDT by RJR_fan (Christians need to reclaim and excel in the genre of science fiction.)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

This video must be watched.....

Math Education: An Inconvenient Truth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr1qee-bTZI

My second grader’s school district has adopted the “Everyday Mathematics” program shown in this video. It is as bad as the lady is saying, even at the second grade level. My wife and I have a very difficult time helping him with the math homework, because quite frankly this crap is hard to understand. All those old algorithms you grew up with, are not taught. They are replaced by alternative ways of finding the answer, that may work fine for math geeks who are proficient already in the old ways – but tossing away the old tried and true way and replacing it is a mistake in monstrous proportions.

His school district use to be one of the best in the State, but it has moved way down the list. Many other districts are also now teaching this, and it’s because the state wide test is based on this math.

The results are starting to come in, and the kids are failing the state wide exam. So what do they do? Return to the older books that worked? Nope. They lower the bar on the math scores for a given time, having the math scores be a smaller percentage of the total grade.

I wish we could afford a private school, there are some good ones in our area, but its impossible. And as far as home schooling, one of us would have to quit our job, and that is a “no can do” . We do after-school him though with books recommended by fellow Freepers facing the same situation.


42 posted on 05/14/2010 1:23:43 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: Theo
Our colleges and universities are corrupt as well as the public school system and the yutes of America will eventually have to deal with that , but by then if they are home schooled they will be equipped to know how to deal with them .
43 posted on 05/14/2010 1:24:28 PM PDT by lionheart 247365 (-:{ GLEN BECK is 0bama's TRANSPARENCY CZAR }:-)
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To: RJR_fan
Sight and Say....Dewey to Gray to Seuss= a functionally illiterate citizenry.

CONTROL is the name of their game..

Sam Blumenfeld is a hero.

Phonics work.

44 posted on 05/14/2010 1:27:37 PM PDT by codder too
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To: GeronL

I’ve always thought that would be an excellent way to home school if some of the others needed to work find 5 or 6 other people who want to do the same thing and arrage a schedule weekly about who’s day it is to teach anbd rotate the kids home to home.


45 posted on 05/14/2010 1:30:43 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: chris_bdba

bump


46 posted on 05/14/2010 1:33:26 PM PDT by GeronL (Political Correctness Kills)
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To: MrB

Yes there are. We own two(one outrigth one mortgaged) and a piece of land to boot all on one income. :)


47 posted on 05/14/2010 1:33:31 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Limit tv programming consumption.


48 posted on 05/14/2010 1:34:59 PM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: madamemayhem
Yes I agree. I have to work just to keep up with taxes, medical, insurance ect ect. I have a 15 year old in private school and a 6 year old in public. So far the public has been fine. I know some people that keep their children home and stick videos in and leave for work and call it homeschooling. What happened to having a degree to teach? Now the kids watch videos or sit in front of the computer and that is learning? Not for me.
49 posted on 05/14/2010 1:36:43 PM PDT by angcat (GOD SAVE US!)
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To: Red Badger

I see your point: Black man trying to enslave people... kinda like his ancestors. (That fits, too. lol)


50 posted on 05/14/2010 1:39:47 PM PDT by CodeToad
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