Posted on 05/16/2010 11:23:11 AM PDT by rellimpank
Jeez at the assholes on FR these days.
Listen, I am old enough to remember it. But if you cannot understand the position I was taking from the standpoint of being an owner/operator of a gun club range then piss off, and go take a crap in your hands. Renting guns to any thug off the streets in an urban area is just stupid. But if you are such a big shot, move to Atlanta, open a range on the east side, and rent away fool.
Just so that you have all the facts: Yes, Colored people (1967) could order a gun from the Sears catalog too. There was no 2nd Amendment restrictions as to skin color in those days.
Oh NICE! The race card! Learn that from Nancy, did you?
You are an idiot, pal. Take a hike.
Before people wet themselves over this stupid article, they should go to the local gun range and rent a gun.
Yeah, its pretty easy. BUT, the guns NEVER leave the range. They are passed to the range through a vault (like a drive up teller drawer.) The range officer takes the pistol and ammo to the position on range. They watch these folks like hawks—mostly because they are newbies renting a 1911 or .44 magnum.
I spend a lot of time at the range and the worst I’ve seen is some idiot shooting the ceiling downrange.
When they are done, they return the gun to the vault.
If they want to commit suicide, I guess they could. If they want to shoot me when I am not looking, I guess they could. If someone wants to take pictures, I guess they could.
But, for 99.999% of the renters the process is very controlled and safe.
I wish the roads around here were that safe.
I wish the cops arrest record was that clean.
I wish the local hospitals infection rate was that good.
There are a lot of things that can get you killed more often than someone going wacky at a pistol range.
How about a background check to walk into any store selling guns? Anyone can take ammo in and load a gun they’re looking at.
Law abiding gun owners do not profit from supporting further erosion of their own liberties, either.
You are proposing making the range owner responsible for the acts of someone else who breaks the law. How would it suit you to be charged with burglary because your neighbor broke into someone’s house?
The instant-check system, by law, can only be used to check somebody if he's buying a gun. The range is prohibited by law from being able to check if a person is a felon or crazy except in the circumstance of buying a gun. If they do not have the ability to find out a renter's status, then explain how they can refuse to rent?
The feds don't seem to want just anybody finding out the felon/crazy status of somebody.
Big, intrusive governments benefit greatly from labeling their opponents as crazies. It was SOP in the former Soviet Union.
That is not the premise of this thread - it's about civil liberties. It's not the function of the federal, state or local government to know when or how often a citizen shoots when they are NOT a criminal.
Do you feel comfortable with the government being able to make the case that you're crazy because you made one too many trips to the range for their liking? It's none of their business in the least. I don't even believe that Badger Guns should be turning over their records without a warrant. How many citizens are being investigated without their knowledge just because they now have a list?
If Cardona-Marquez was denied practice that day, who's to say that he wouldn't have gone out and practiced on some human targets? It wouldn't have been a crime to TRY and rent a weapon, would it? He'd have been long gone before the police got there, and besides, he'd already been arrested in March for carrying a concealed weapon.
He then burglarized six homes of more than $90,000 in jewelry and cash. Before the rental at Badger Guns, he robbed a jewelry store of $50,000.
But of course, the police and/or justice system didn't fail. No, no, of course not - it was the eeeeeevil gun range.
How many felons and crazies have you killed? Or do you mean what you say theoretically?
Not enough apparently.
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