Posted on 05/20/2010 5:50:26 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
You should have shot the leftie down with "irrelevant to the argument".
Because it was, or when it was, proposed by a Republican, does NOT mean it is Constitutional, and Constitutionality is the argument.
It only proves Republicans are inconsistent, no surprise to a conservative.
Sure -- any third-party payer system is.
But employers invented it. Useful fringe, good inducement to recruitment/retention for family men. Tax deductible to the employer, tax-free to the employee. Best thing since sliced bread. Almost.
Obama's got a fulltime lie factory working for him, researching "talking points" and then fudging them into useful roorbacks to throw in conservatives' faces.
Like the "Teddy Roosevelt wanted national health insurance" lie. He absolutely did not -- that is a political lie of the first water, kidnapping a Rushmore face to work for the lie, and Obama repeated it at least three times if he used it once. And his MSM claque parrotted it for him like a Greek chorus, too.>
Teddy Roosevelt, as a Bull Mooser not a GOP'er, proposed as an idea that a public law establish that private employers purchase, on their own responsibility, insurance policies that amount to what we call "key man" and "income continiuation" plans. Both are common in private practice already.
Furthermore, the proposal was limited to industrial companies where lost-time accidents were more common.
Obama's slugs recanned that old proposal as a political lie.
All fine except for the tax-free part. That keeps people tied to their employers, and is a thumb on the scale of the free market. I imagine there would be more small companies if not for the current(or rather, soon to go away!) health-insurance system.
In their view, the evil corporations were giving health-care perks to their rich, capitalist employees. Now, the evil corporations will instead be paying fines to mother government... which means more freebies for the deserving leftist class.
However, the tribal ruling families -— the ones who get the lion's share of all money coming into a treaty tribe -— decided that quick cash was the preferred route.
There were numerous Indonesian financiers lined up to front the money for their new casinos. This allowed the ruling families to conceal who where and what about their financiers — under the phony rubric of tribal national sovereignty.
It also allowed them to put paid to the various enterprising individuals who opened cig and fireworks stands, forcing them to either reopen within a casino or pay more to the tribe as “tax”.
What happens to all the money? Usually if cash, it goes into some overstuffed closet with the rest, or into some other hidden place, or on occasion into buying a bank or two.
Very little of that money ever gets outside of the ruling families — which is why the PNW reservations are in such awlful shape. It also pays the ruling families well to keep the reservations downtrodden -— they can then point to the “needy” tribal members who need more federal dollars. Which then allows them to siphon off yet more money.
Treaty tribal casinos are a racket. Opening health care centers would fit their public image, but expose their real business to too many eyes. And that will never happen.
” Kinda sucks when arrogant Yacht Club ****’s want conservatives to “service” them and shut the hell up.”
Couldn’t agree more...except us conservatives, in many cases in the House and Senate, threw out the baby with the bathwater...and gave Obama the 60 votes he needed to take over health care.
So who really wins now?
You talking about people like Howlin' Sphincter? Linc Chafee and Jeffords the Iscariot?
We've got Lindsey Grahamnesty still gumming up the works and making nice to the OBL. Are we ahead for having him around?
“Are we ahead for having him around? “
Somewhat...he did vote against Obamacare, and helped to prevent a “government option” (for now), which would have been in the bill had a SINGLE Republican Senator supported it.
As to this clown himself, he needs to be TAKEN OUT in the PRIMARY. If the Republicans in SC won’t do that, then we’re stuck with him.
As to Lincoln Chaffee...agree, with a 37% ACU score, it was INSANE for Bush and the Party to EVER support him.
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