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My take on guns
The Frederick News-Post ^ | May 21, 2010 | Steve Berryman

Posted on 05/21/2010 8:21:51 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

While you were distracted by the economy, they fixed your health care system. While you were distracted by your health care system, they worked on cap-and-trade plus immigration "reform."

Under the continued distraction of the last two items above, surely you will never see the pre-planning to remove guns from your home. Surely the man whose agenda has become a substitute for the United States Constitution will not think twice about a nation safer from firearms.

"It's for your own good" will be the rallying cry, but where have we heard that one before?

Notice the man in the Oval Office flinch noticeably when pressed on the Constitution, his specialty. Expect that he believes that our laws emanate from our government, and not from a higher power.

The Founding Fathers of the United States of America (can I still say that in print?) foresaw a time when our federal government would become so large that it would become unresponsive to the people and disconnected. A time when power of the individual citizen was diminished and discounted.

The Founding Fathers saw that the tyranny of top-down power by a government over a population was possible, so they designed a multiple-tier government with separation of powers. Checks and balances were made needfully cumbersome to retard a potential stranglehold over our people.

The Constitution of the land gave us freedom of speech as our First Amendment, even protecting the Westboro Baptist Church, desecraters of soldiers' funerals, as a necessary evil to protect a greater good for the nation.

The Constitution of the land provided for a Second Amendment in order to protect our First Amendment. As noted author Robert A. Heinlein has stated: "An armed society is a polite society."

The Second Amendment of the Constitution of these United States pronounces with crystal clarity that:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

... And spare me the argument about this intent only being for the "Militia." During the day of this writing, the Militia already had guns.

America has a proud heritage of hunting, self-reliance, independence and home protection. Firearms enabled the very founding of our nation.

Also, a nation with longevity must be prepared to "take it back" in a worst-case scenario.

But could a modern Western society capable of producing an Albert Einstein or a Sigmund Freud be capable of running amok to the degree that freedom and liberty are snatched up for a "national good"?

Another period of economic despair during the 1930s allowed just that to occur in Nazi Germany, taking away the guns before burning the books!

You say you have heard this before? Good for you, but I believe that eternal vigilance is in order during our current financial dire straits, where "they never let a good crisis go to waste," and I will risk that response. If just one citizen becomes enlightened, then I am satisfied.

Beware that there are current efforts under way in the guise of U.N. treaty and "globalism" to remove your rights.

Join organizations like the NRA and the Izaak Walton League, support them, and do not let anyone remove your lawful gun rights. And pass this on.

My take on guns is that you should not let them take yours!


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; bho44; liberalfascism; militia; obama; obamacare; rtkba; secondamendment

1 posted on 05/21/2010 8:21:51 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Constitution of the land gave us freedom of speech as our First Amendment, even protecting the Westboro Baptist Church, desecraters of soldiers' funerals, as a necessary evil to protect a greater good for the nation.

A minor point, but worth arguing, is that the Constitution does not GIVE rights, it ACKNOWLEDGES them... for what the Government can give, via Constitutional Amendment, it can also take away.

2 posted on 05/21/2010 8:28:28 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
While I agree with the sentiment, this article is part of the problem.

The Constitution does not guarantee us anything. The Constitution does not grant or convey to us our rights.

The Constitution merely enumerates the rights we already possess by virtue of our humanity - PERIOD.

No government on earth can strip them from us. They can only actively force or passively coerce us from exercising them.

But no stroke of the pen can separate us from our rights; and the right to defend our LIFE is paramount.

FMCDH

3 posted on 05/21/2010 8:30:44 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (-)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Firearms is about the only thing that 0bama hasn’t went after.

I expect it will be during his second term before he makes a serious move in that area. In the meantime, stock up!


4 posted on 05/21/2010 8:31:07 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist" - I Hate Mexico)
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To: OneWingedShark
"A minor point, but worth arguing, is that the Constitution does not GIVE rights, it ACKNOWLEDGES them."

This is not a minor point it is the only point.

5 posted on 05/21/2010 8:33:28 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: OneWingedShark
Hey, OneWinged!

Great minds think alike, I see.

The point you raised is critical, not minor. Our rights supercede any form of government. The power rests not with the State, but the individual.

Articles that inadvertantly suggest otherwise, even well intentioned ones, only reinforce the misnomer that the government is arbitor of our rights, or that rights are constructs of the state instead of an integral, inherent, inalienable component of our humanity.

Therein lies the essential difference between liberals and conservatives. Conservatives recognize this truth; liberals presume otherwise.

6 posted on 05/21/2010 8:35:08 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (-)
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To: KoRn

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against an Army.....?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2312894/posts?page=242


7 posted on 05/21/2010 8:37:24 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Don't care if he was born in a manger on July 4th! A "Natural Born" citizen requires two US parents!)
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To: TheWriterTX

Parable of the Sheep 

 

Website: Gun Owners, India

 

Not so long ago and in a pasture too uncomfortably close to here, a flock of sheep lived and grazed. They were protected by a dog, who answered to the master, but despite his best efforts from time to time a nearby pack of wolves would prey upon the flock.

One day a group of sheep, more bold than the rest, met to discuss their dilemma. “Our dog is good, and vigilant, but he is one dog and the wolves are many. The wolves he catches are not always killed, and the master judges and releases many to prey again upon us, for no reason we can understand. What can we do? We are sheep, but we do not wish to be food, too!”

One sheep spoke up, saying “It is his teeth and claws that make the wolf so terrible to us. It is his nature to prey, and he would find any way to do it, but it is the tools he wields that make it possible. If we had such teeth, we could fight back, and stop this savagery.” The other sheep clamored in agreement, and they went together to the old bones of the dead wolves heaped in the corner of the pasture, and gathered fang and claw and made them into weapons.

That night, when the wolves came, the newly armed sheep sprang up with their weapons and struck at them and cried “Begone! We are not food!” and drove off the wolves, who were astonished. When did sheep become so bold and so dangerous to wolves? When did sheep grow teeth? It was unthinkable!

The next day, flush with victory and waving their weapons, they approached the flock to pronounce their discovery. But as they drew nigh, the flock huddled together and cried out “Baaaaaaaadddd! Baaaaaddd things! You have bad things! We are afraid! You are not sheep!”

The brave sheep stopped, amazed. “But we are your brethren!” they cried, “We are still sheep, but we do not wish to be food. See, our new teeth and claws protect us and have saved us from slaughter. They do not make us into wolves, they make us equal to the wolves, and safe from their viciousness!”

“Baaaaaaaddd!”, cried the flock,”the things are bad and will pervert you, and we fear them. You cannot bring them into the flock. They scare us!”. So the armed sheep resolved to conceal their weapons, for although they had no desire to panic the flock, they wished to remain in the fold. But they would not return to those nights of terror, waiting for the wolves to come.

In time, the wolves attacked less often and sought easier prey, for they had no stomach for fighting sheep who possessed tooth and claw even as they did. Not knowing which sheep had fangs and which did not, they came to leave sheep out of their diet almost completely except for the occasional raid, from which more than one wolf did not return. Then came the day when, as the flock grazed beside the stream, one sheep’s weapon slipped from the folds of her fleece, and the flock cried out in terror again, “Baaaaaaddddd! You still possess these evil things! We must ban you from our presence!”.

And so they did. The great chief sheep and his court and council, encouraged by the words of their moneylenders and advisors, placed signs and totems at the edges of the pasture forbidding the presence of hidden weapons there. The armed sheep protested before the council, saying “It is our pasture, too, and we have never harmed you! When can you say we have caused you hurt? It is the wolves, not we, who prey upon you. We are still sheep, but we are not food!”. But the flock would not hear, and drowned them out with cries of “Baaaaaaddd! We will not hear your clever words! You and your things are evil and will harm us!”.

Saddened by this rejection, the armed sheep moved off and spent their days on the edges of the flock, trying from time to time to speak with their brethren to convince them of the wisdom of having such teeth, but meeting with little success. They found it hard to talk to those who, upon hearing their words, would roll back their eyes and flee, crying “Baaaaddd! Bad things!”.

That night, the wolves happened upon the sheep’s totems and signs, and said, “Truly, these sheep are fools! They have told us they have no teeth! Brothers, let us feed!”. And they set upon the flock, and horrible was the carnage in the midst of the fold. The dog fought like a demon, and often seemed to be in two places at once, but even he could not halt the slaughter. It was only when the other sheep arrived with their weapons that the wolves fled, vowing to each other to remain on the edge of the pasture and wait for the next time they could prey, for if the sheep were so foolish once, they would be so again. This they did, and do still.

In the morning, the armed sheep spoke to the flock, and said, “See? If the wolves know you have no teeth, they will fall upon you. Why be prey? To be a sheep does not mean to be food for wolves!”. But the flock cried out, more feebly for their voices were fewer, though with no less terror, “Baaaaaaaadddd! These things are bad! If they were banished, the wolves would not harm us! Baaaaaaaddd!”. The other sheep could only hang their heads and sigh. The flock had forgotten that even they possessed teeth; how else could they graze the grasses of the pasture? It was only those who preyed, like the wolves and jackals, who turned their teeth to evil ends. If you pulled their own fangs those beasts would take another’s teeth and claws, perhaps even the broad flat teeth of sheep, and turn them to evil purposes.

The bold sheep knew that the fangs and claws they possessed had not changed them. They still grazed like other sheep, and raised their lambs in the spring, and greeted their friend the dog as he walked among them. But they could not quell the terror of the flock, which rose in them like some ancient dark smoky spirit and could not be damped by reason, nor dispelled by the light of day.

So they resolved to retain their weapons, but to conceal them from the flock; to endure their fear and loathing, and even to protect their brethren if the need arose, until the day the flock learned to understand that as long as there were wolves in the night, sheep would need teeth to repel them.

They would still be sheep, but they would not be food! 

 





"A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie." -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin



8 posted on 05/21/2010 8:41:29 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

9 posted on 05/21/2010 8:46:26 PM PDT by mcmuffin (Keep your powder and tobacco dry)
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To: OneWingedShark

Exactly, even if the BOR was repealed, the rights would still exist. Repealing the 2nd Amendment would NOT remove the RKBA, it would only give the government the power to infringe upon that right, as if it doesn’t already.


10 posted on 05/21/2010 8:47:47 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The US will not die with a whimper. It will die with thundering applause from the left.)
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To: KoRn

You’re not paying attention. Watch Hillary...


11 posted on 05/21/2010 8:47:59 PM PDT by CarryaBigStick (My office is an Airtractor 402)
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To: KoRn

If he gets re-elected, it will have to be by massive voter fraud because I pray that the people aren’t stupid enough to be suckered twice.


12 posted on 05/21/2010 8:49:07 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The US will not die with a whimper. It will die with thundering applause from the left.)
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To: TheWriterTX
The Constitution merely enumerates the rights we already possess by virtue of our humanity - PERIOD.

It enumerates some of those rights, and more importantly *forbids* the Government from infringing upon them.

13 posted on 05/21/2010 8:52:19 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There is but one consumer product the ownership of which is protected by the constitution. It is NOT health care, it is not shelter or transportation. Food or water or clothing, it is firearms.


14 posted on 05/21/2010 8:56:52 PM PDT by Boiling point (Beck / Palin 2012)
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To: TheWriterTX
The Constitution merely enumerates the rights we already possess by virtue of our humanity - PERIOD.

I like the way you put that! BINGO!

15 posted on 05/21/2010 9:04:39 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Kiss my AZ!!!)
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To: James C. Bennett
Love it!

So true, too true.

16 posted on 05/21/2010 9:04:53 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (-)
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To: El Gato

Amen, El Gato.


17 posted on 05/21/2010 9:06:41 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (-)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We got motivated around here again before the last election because we thought Hillary had a good chance against McCain. Couldn’t have imagined what would actually transpire. Hadn’t seen that kind of buying furor since Y2K, or the great primer shortage( and magazines. etc) when the first “assault” weapons ban was passed in ‘94.

You know it’s their trump card they hope to play; be it by majority legislation, by executive fiat, by treaty enactment or by any other means.

If I were in charge of DC security I would beef up around SCOTUS big time. A disaster at the supreme court would enable a once-and-for-all stacking of the deck.

God save the United States.


18 posted on 05/21/2010 9:12:27 PM PDT by One Name
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Guns may be removed from my home, it is true. But there will be dead bodies all over the place. Hope they are OK with that.

I am.


19 posted on 05/21/2010 9:30:37 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Jack Black

As the saying goes: “Give them your ammunition first!”


20 posted on 05/21/2010 9:36:18 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Don't care if he was born in a manger on July 4th! A "Natural Born" citizen requires two US parents!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

NFA ‘34, CGA ‘68, FOPA ‘86, AWB ‘94 were allowed to happen because those before us did nothing.


21 posted on 05/21/2010 9:58:30 PM PDT by wastedyears (The Founders revolted for less.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants; TheWriterTX; blackbart.223

>> “A minor point, but worth arguing, is that the Constitution does not GIVE rights, it ACKNOWLEDGES them.”
>
>This is not a minor point it is the only point.

Ah, you misunderstand; I was talking from a critique-the-article point of view. In that sense, it is a minor point.

However, implementationally, there s a BIG difference; much like the difference between “pray for” and “pray to,” the little change impacts the whole of the idea.

>The point you raised is critical, not minor.

Agreed, see above.

>Our rights supersede any form of government. The power rests not with the State, but the individual.

I’ve written about that, from the “state official’s” point-of-view, in a Screwtape Letters style over here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2513906/posts

> Articles that inadvertantly suggest otherwise, even well intentioned ones, only reinforce the misnomer that the government is arbitor of our rights, or that rights are constructs of the state instead of an integral, inherent, inalienable component of our humanity.

Quite Agreed.

>Therein lies the essential difference between liberals and conservatives. Conservatives recognize this truth; liberals presume otherwise.

There is something we CAN do about it though; apply reasoning to the laws, especially Constitutional laws.

Here’s a letter I recently sent my Representative in the State Legislature which, I hope, illustrates what I’m trying to say:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2517136/posts?page=12#12

And finally, I share with you all some humor:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2518539/posts

...ok? That seems about it.
DISCLAIMER/WARNING: I’ve been accused of having a weird sense of humor at times.


22 posted on 05/21/2010 10:03:36 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
One of these days an outbreak of Itchy Trigger Finger Syndrome will begin somewhere in the West and become an epidemic. And law enforcement will start to fade away.
23 posted on 05/22/2010 12:01:02 AM PDT by Misterioso (A socialist is a communist, but too stupid to realize it.)
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To: KoRn

Obama is done. There is no chance of a second term for him.


24 posted on 05/22/2010 12:06:13 AM PDT by incredulous joe
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To: Jack Black

Just a quick heads up, better not let the participant on this website named “Dem Guard” see this...(they don’t even rate the term “FReeper”)

They would believe folks like us to be inciting violence or something...

They are an entertaining speck of the “troll brigade” that seem to be following me around this website for some fool of a reason...FYI...

But as usual, I like your comments here JB...


25 posted on 05/22/2010 3:23:34 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus sayin')
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To: incredulous joe

But his legacy will last for decades. I don’t see the Republican establishment having the backbone to turn back his programs and adopt sound budget policies.


26 posted on 05/22/2010 3:36:57 AM PDT by Soul of the South (When times are tough the tough get going.)
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To: stevie_d_64

Stevie you are really dumb as rocks!


27 posted on 05/22/2010 3:56:13 AM PDT by Dem Guard ("We're Coming to Take You Away")
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To: stevie_d_64

Dem Guard has been on this site for quite a while and he sure is no troll. What did you do to piss him off?


28 posted on 05/22/2010 4:24:03 AM PDT by stumptalker
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To: incredulous joe

I pray you are right.


29 posted on 05/22/2010 4:42:51 AM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "P" in democrat stands for patriotism)
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To: stumptalker; Dem Guard

Lordy, now you have a dual personality...

I’m not much into longevity, or seniority, but since “you” brought it up...

Care to take a gander at yours and dipsticks “joined” date??? I mean really, and how do you know its a him??? Or you, are a you???

Trolls with multiple handles are easy pickings, and I can go at this all day long, you just do not know how to disengage, and y’alls (ehem), pursuit of me proves that...

This keeps getting better and better...


30 posted on 05/22/2010 4:56:47 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus sayin')
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To: stevie_d_64
He said you were nuts, he wasn't kidding!

"Paranoid schizophrenia is the most common type of schizophrenia in most parts of the world. The clinical picture is dominated by relatively stable, often paranoid, delusions, usually accompanied by hallucinations, particularly of the auditory variety, and perceptual disturbances. Disturbances of affect, volition, and speech, and catatonic symptoms, are not prominent."

31 posted on 05/22/2010 5:13:48 AM PDT by stumptalker
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To: stumptalker

Looks like they let you into the asylum library early today...And they actually opened the big people book cabinet instead of the coloring book section...

You two (ehem), make a great team...Bunkmates???


32 posted on 05/22/2010 7:08:35 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus sayin')
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To: Blood of Tyrants
-- Repealing the 2nd Amendment would NOT remove the RKBA, it would only give the government the power to infringe upon that right, as if it doesn’t already. --

No, it wouldn't. The federal government is one of limited, enumerated powers, and none of the enumerated powers is to disarm the populace. The entire BOR is a belt-and-suspenders arrangement, to emphasize the limit of the grant of power to the federal government, in particular aspects.

Separately, I get a laugh out of "only" the militia. The militia is ALL people capable of bearing arms. When the populace is armed, and knows how to use the arms, then the populace comprises a free state.

33 posted on 05/22/2010 7:25:56 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Soul of the South

I gave up on the Republican party after this last elecction. I very nearly joined in 06,...no, nay, never.

I’ll vote for the most conservative and electable candidate in general elections ~ and I hope the Tea Party keeps them honest ~ but I will not be joining the GOP unless folks like Pence, Palin and Bachmann are at the helm.


34 posted on 05/22/2010 7:47:02 AM PDT by incredulous joe
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To: Cboldt

Now that I think about it, I think you are right. There was a heated discussion about the inclusion of the BOR because many believed it could be construed that rights not included were excluded. Rights are inherent in the individual.


35 posted on 05/22/2010 8:20:01 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The US will not die with a whimper. It will die with thundering applause from the left.)
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To: incredulous joe

I agree with you on the party. The establishment gave us the two Bushes, Dole and McCain. The Democrats have become hard core leftists and no longer hide being socialist/Marxists. They stand for something and now govern true to their core principles. Unfortunately the Republican establishment continues to call themselves conservative but in reality they are political pragmatists who falsely believe in compromising principles when governing.

The Rinos need to be removed from the party.


36 posted on 05/23/2010 6:55:40 AM PDT by Soul of the South (When times are tough the tough get going.)
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