When did the M4 replace the M16 as the standard battle rifle?
posted on 05/22/2010 12:00:50 PM PDT
Give them back the Browning Automatic Rifle, the M-14, and the M-60.
posted on 05/22/2010 12:00:56 PM PDT
(Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
This story seems to get dragged out once very six months
posted on 05/22/2010 12:03:03 PM PDT
("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
Bring back the M14 again. The Garand can fire more rounds per minute than the M14 and it is 30-06. Did they take away the 50BMG? I saw a video of a Hummer with a 50BMG mini gun that fired at the M2 rate and then over 3000 rounds per minute. It sure rocked the Hummer.
posted on 05/22/2010 12:03:06 PM PDT
Just tell them to get the Israeli Galil. That thing takes a beating in the desert and keeps on shooting.
posted on 05/22/2010 12:04:10 PM PDT
by Jack Hydrazine
(It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
For close in work nothing beats a Thompson.BAR with a cut down barrel aint bad either.
posted on 05/22/2010 12:07:51 PM PDT
by HANG THE EXPENSE
(Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
When targets presents themselves at very long ranges of fields of fire the M4s will be inadequate.
posted on 05/22/2010 12:08:06 PM PDT
by Red Steel
The M1 Garand did pretty well in the hills and mountains of Italy in WW2... And had a good power punch.. Ok I am biased.. I love my Garand.
posted on 05/22/2010 12:10:08 PM PDT
I’d be happy to let em try out my Socom .308...
posted on 05/22/2010 12:11:47 PM PDT
I love the M-4. It’s so much better for someone like me with short little arms.
posted on 05/22/2010 12:13:58 PM PDT
(2 Chronicles 7:14)
Stories about weapons generate lots of responses on FR.
Maybe some of you gun experts can comment on this. I'm not any type of expert of this but from what I've have read is there is no perfect type of rifle for our soldiers. A rifle that's ideal for one environment is not necessarily best for all environments. That seems common sense.
The M14 was very heavy and not suited to many environments but seems ideal for Afghanistan. But if my memory serves me correctly, didn't Bill Clinton order large amounts of these weapons destroyed by executive order? It seems I read this somewhere. These weapons were safe and secure in armories on military bases. They were as safe as the gold in Ft. Know. Now we need them for Afghanistan and we don't have enough. Is this correct or am I prematurely senile?
posted on 05/22/2010 12:24:04 PM PDT
(Good intentions are not enough!)
WOW! it only took 44 years to admit that the Poodle Shooter is nothing more than a top of the line varmit plinker!
How many American lives have been lost since 1966 because of the foolish decision to abandon the .308 M-14 and go with the .223?
If you want to get your blood boiling read the history of the big money, insider influence, and cover ups of operational defects that lead to the adoption of the AR-15/M-16/M-4 Poodle Shooters.
As in everything else related to the Federal Government, if you want the truth just follow the money.
posted on 05/22/2010 12:29:22 PM PDT
by Iron Munro
("You can't kill the beast while sucking at its teat" - - Claire Wolfe)
We need something in .308.
posted on 05/22/2010 1:17:52 PM PDT
(RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE.)
I really don't understand the mentality of people who buy AR-15 variants. You'll be able to pick up 10 of those off the ground for every guy on the other side who starts with a single .308.
Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
posted on 05/22/2010 1:36:54 PM PDT
by The Comedian
(Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
I believe you can count the Talibans still using Enfields on the fingers of one hand. During the Russian war it made much more sense to equip your side with a rifle that could use the magazines and ammunition of the enemy.
In Steve Coll’s “Ghost Wars” he writes that in the eighties the Chicoms were making money hand-over-fist manufacturing their Type 56 AK clone to be purchased with CIA money and shipped to the Muj.
posted on 05/22/2010 4:10:18 PM PDT
posted on 05/22/2010 6:20:07 PM PDT
(Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
For later read.
Never understood the wisdom in using a round considered underpowered for deer.
posted on 05/22/2010 9:56:37 PM PDT
("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
When did an AK-47 develope a greater effective range than an M-4?
posted on 05/22/2010 9:56:44 PM PDT
(Mourn this day, the death of a great republic. March 21, 2010)
This entire disussion is based on the idea we desire to hit, injure or kill then enemy.
That is at odds with the idea of a medal for NOT hitting, injuring or killing the enemy.
We don’t have a consistent name for the enemy, or even complete commitment to the idea we have enemies.
In half the time we have been “fighting” after 9-11-2001 the United States, had over 16 million citizens in the military, defeated Germany, Italy and Japan.
And they have stayed defeated, because we killed enemy soldiers, sailors, airmen and civilians until we achieved unconditional surrender.
Something we aren’t even close to doing, in the new America.
Since WWII about the only war we have won, where the enemy stayed surrendered was Grenada.
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