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Whales and dolphins deserve 'human rights' because of their intelligence
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Posted on 05/23/2010 10:34:26 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

Whales and dolphins deserve 'human rights' because of their intelligence

Whales and dolphins should get "human rights" to life and liberty because of mounting evidence of their intelligence, a group of conservationists and experts in philosophy, law and ethics have argued.

Published: 6:01PM BST 23 May 2010

Japan, Norway and Iceland, the main whaling nations, oppose arguments that would outlaw hunting or even keeping the mammals in marine parks. They have long said there is no real evidence that they are smarter, for instance, than cows or pigs.

But participants at a University of Helsinki conference said a growing number of studies show the giant marine mammals have human-like self-awareness, an ability to communicate and organise complex societies, making them similar to some great apes.

"We affirm that all cetaceans [marine mammals], as persons, have the right to life, liberty and wellbeing," they said in a declaration after a two-day meeting led by the Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society (WDCS).

Thomas White, director of the Center for Ethics and Business at Loyola Marymount University in California, said dolphins could recognise themselves in a mirror, an ability rare in mammals that humans only acquire at about 18 months of age.

"Whaling is ethically unacceptable," he said. "They have a sense of self that we used to think that only human beings have."

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: animalintelligence; dolphins; humanrights; whales
Nutty........
1 posted on 05/23/2010 10:34:27 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

From the same crowd that gave you “Save a whale, abort a baby!”


2 posted on 05/23/2010 10:35:42 AM PDT by ak267
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To: Sub-Driver

“We affirm that all cetaceans [marine mammals], as persons, have the right to life, liberty and wellbeing”

While a child does not.


3 posted on 05/23/2010 10:36:05 AM PDT by Soothesayer (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left Ecclesiastes10:2)
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To: Sub-Driver

I support it just take it away from insane and intolerant Islamics and other backward violent people.


4 posted on 05/23/2010 10:36:09 AM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain/Graham = La Raza's Senators)
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To: Sub-Driver

okay....we’ll make a trade....liberals and socialist/marxists for them


5 posted on 05/23/2010 10:38:27 AM PDT by goodnesswins (Destroy AMERICA.....Vote DEMOCRAT)
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To: Sub-Driver

Since whales and dolphins are a lot smarter than welfare recipients, maybe we should take the rights of people on the dole away.


6 posted on 05/23/2010 10:39:42 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Sub-Driver

I think they forgot the ‘human’ in human rights. And they’re cannibals too.

What a bunch of loonies.


7 posted on 05/23/2010 10:39:45 AM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Not dogs, apes or pigs? That’s racist!!


8 posted on 05/23/2010 10:40:57 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Don't care if he was born in a manger on July 4th! A "Natural Born" citizen requires two US parents!)
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To: Sub-Driver

its nothing more than right to be left alone by humans. Heck, even humans don’t have the same right that these whales will get


9 posted on 05/23/2010 10:42:24 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Sub-Driver
More important, they deserve the Nobel Peace Prize. They've never conducted a war!

I'd vote for Flipper to be our first Aquatic American with a grey skin and big smile. He doesn't need a teleprompter and would evoid Air Farce Uno!

10 posted on 05/23/2010 10:43:53 AM PDT by Young Werther ("Quae cum ita sunt" Since these things are so!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Penn & Teller Bulls**t: Dolphins episode (Warning: Vulgarity, poss. nudity)

Part 1 of 3
http://www.trilulilu.ro/00070707000/9fdb53112ec588

Part 2 of 3
http://www.trilulilu.ro/00070707000/2dadedfc78de6f

Part 3 of 3
http://www.trilulilu.ro/00070707000/0493820fd25156


11 posted on 05/23/2010 10:47:22 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Don't care if he was born in a manger on July 4th! A "Natural Born" citizen requires two US parents!)
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To: Sub-Driver
You can pick up a used copy of Smarter Than Man ? for a penny over on Amazon, from 1972. They started this stuff a long time ago.
12 posted on 05/23/2010 10:47:27 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: Sub-Driver

>>Whales and dolphins deserve ‘human rights’ because of their intelligence <<

Then democrats and liberals should have their ‘human rights’ revoked for the same reason...


13 posted on 05/23/2010 10:49:57 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (The frog who accepts a ride from a scorpion should expect a sting and the phrase "it is my nature.")
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To: Cacique

Rights AND responsibilities; whales need to contribute to society... Work, build, invent, contribute money, obey laws, volunteer, etc.


14 posted on 05/23/2010 10:50:43 AM PDT by maranatha
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To: Sub-Driver

“Do Trees Have Standing?”


15 posted on 05/23/2010 10:52:46 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Sub-Driver

Not so nutty an idea. Democrats see possible voters among whales and other marine mammals. Next step — a seat on the UN security council.

Hell, why not? What difference does it really make?


16 posted on 05/23/2010 10:53:14 AM PDT by 353FMG (ISLAM -- America's road to destruction.)
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To: maranatha

“...whales need to contribute to society...”

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Why should they have to when illegals and many immigrants don’t have to?


17 posted on 05/23/2010 10:55:38 AM PDT by 353FMG (ISLAM -- America's road to destruction.)
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To: 353FMG

They can then start paying taxes.........


18 posted on 05/23/2010 11:03:15 AM PDT by Sub-Driver (Proud member of the Republican wing of the Republican Party)
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To: Sub-Driver

If dolphins are so smart, why don’t they jump over the cork line of the big tuna seine nets and swim away? I remember Jacques Cousteau being asked that question and his reply was they are indeed intelligent, but they don’t possess HUMAN intelligence.


19 posted on 05/23/2010 11:09:35 AM PDT by dainbramaged (If you want a friend, get a dog.)
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To: Young Werther

War, maybe not but I saw a vid the other day of dolphins murdering a porpoise. They attacked it and literally drowned it by holding it under water.


20 posted on 05/23/2010 11:10:01 AM PDT by Mmogamer (<This space for lease>)
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To: dainbramaged

Whales are obviously not intelligent enough to stay out of the way of Japanese and Norwegian whalers.

If they were so smart, they’d stay out of those neighborhoods.


21 posted on 05/23/2010 11:16:59 AM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: Sub-Driver

This particular example is ridiculous. But I do often wonder about the day we’ll have to decide such things. Whether it’s with some newly-discovered animal, or artificial intelligence, or space aliens, how does one decide what sentience is?

Or is it as simple as “they get rights when they request it themselves”?


22 posted on 05/23/2010 11:17:24 AM PDT by Ellendra (Can't starve us out, and you can't make us run. . . -Hank Jr.)
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To: Sub-Driver

This is the hand of the PRC, smells like. Anything that interferes with the training of USN sonar operators makes it MUCH easier for China to take Taiwan.

Sounds nuts, huh?

Chinese money is behind a LOT of the “stop noisy sonar” legal action.


23 posted on 05/23/2010 11:20:55 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: Sub-Driver

OK, but will they get Miranda rights if they’re suspected of plotting a terrorist attack?


24 posted on 05/23/2010 11:22:33 AM PDT by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenerio at a time.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Now THAT was some funny funny stuff!


25 posted on 05/23/2010 11:23:59 AM PDT by The FIGHTIN Illini (The betrayal of the Greatest Generation continues)
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To: Sub-Driver

That’s fine, strip the liberals of theirs and give it to the ocean dwellings geniuses.


26 posted on 05/23/2010 11:47:29 AM PDT by Michael Barnes (Call me when the bullets start flying.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Only if they gather signatures on a petition and present it to the proper authorities.


27 posted on 05/23/2010 11:54:35 AM PDT by pf flyers
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To: maranatha
Rights AND responsibilities; whales need to contribute to society... Work, build, invent, contribute money, obey laws, volunteer, etc.

Correct. Human rights apply, you know, to humans. It does not require intelligence, only a specific set of genomes. Humans cannot bestow their condition on non human creatures. Only dolphins can grant dolphin rights. If this kind of logic becomes law it would be appropriate for a human to file for dolphin status.

28 posted on 05/23/2010 11:57:21 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (He is the son of soulless slavers, not the son of soulful slaves.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Well, no one is going to say cows are intelligent, Thank goodness. I just put one of Mine in the Freezer, and he was about as stupid as a rock.
29 posted on 05/23/2010 12:08:10 PM PDT by Colvin (Proud Owner '66 Binder PU, '66 Binder Travelall,)
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To: Sub-Driver
The Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society???

I guess they're lucky to have a job.

30 posted on 05/23/2010 12:17:06 PM PDT by ken in texas
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To: Sub-Driver

This is nuts, whales and dolphins go great when mixed with tuna and mayonnaise on toast.


31 posted on 05/23/2010 12:17:52 PM PDT by Larry381 (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt)
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To: Sub-Driver

Then liberals deserve no rights because these creatures are smarter than them.


32 posted on 05/23/2010 12:20:11 PM PDT by bmwcyle (NJ Governor Chris Christie for President)
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To: Sub-Driver

...and porpoises are chopped liver?


33 posted on 05/23/2010 12:21:18 PM PDT by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
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To: Sub-Driver

As Rush says, “Show me a hospital that was ever built by a dolphin.”


34 posted on 05/23/2010 12:22:28 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Larry381

“Mom, the tuna doesn’t taste as good as it used to.”


35 posted on 05/23/2010 12:23:53 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Sub-Driver

“Whales and dolphins deserve ‘human rights’ because of their intelligence”

“Human”?


36 posted on 05/23/2010 12:41:55 PM PDT by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: Sub-Driver

I love animals. I will kill others that try to murder my animals, I will risk my life for my animals.

That said, by definition they are not human. You cannot give them human rights. They actually have MORE rights being MY animals than they otherwise would have. Under my ownership and care, I have God-given responsibilities and duties to take care of them, as they are totally dependent on me for everything they need to live. I willingly have taken up this responsibility, it is mine until I pass away or they do.

You cannot assign “human” rights to things other than humans. Ultimately because they have no concepts of rights, nor responsibilities that come with those rights. We have given animals certain general rights and protections under the law. The wild animals are generally under God’s care and He makes provisions for them (we of course believe everything we do for wild animals is always correct and always solves the problem - remember the wild seal nursed back to health and let go only to be eaten by a killer whale). The domesticated animals under our care we have certain responsibilities for and are not to be cruel towards them, we will also be accountable for how we treat them - living, sentient, dependent beings at our mercy - when we are judged.


37 posted on 05/23/2010 12:42:06 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Great idea! Have a couple of thousand of them sign a petition and we’ll consider it.


38 posted on 05/23/2010 12:42:54 PM PDT by Moltke (panem et circenses)
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To: Sub-Driver



39 posted on 05/23/2010 1:04:34 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
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To: Sub-Driver

Human rights are for “HUMANS” not for other mammals.


40 posted on 05/23/2010 1:57:54 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Sub-Driver

You know, only nutty liberals could want to assign human rights to sea mammals yet deny them to humans in the womb.


41 posted on 05/23/2010 2:00:01 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Sub-Driver

Whales get “whale rights”.
Dolphins get “dolphin rights”.
Humans get “human rights”.

Is this really so hard?


42 posted on 05/23/2010 2:02:46 PM PDT by FourPeas (God Bless America)
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To: chris_bdba

LIBs are insane. A whale deserves whale rights. The right to swim aimlessly, the right to defecate in our pristine oceans, the right to spray water out of their blow-hole and the right to sound-pollute the oceans with their incessant deep-frequency noises. That’s it.


43 posted on 05/23/2010 2:10:29 PM PDT by hal ogen ($10 (I think) amounts through the internet from all over the world.)
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To: hal ogen

LOL


44 posted on 05/23/2010 2:18:28 PM PDT by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: Sub-Driver

They aren’t very expert regarding the law.

Human rights are not granted based upon intelligence. (If they were, over half the Democrats would be deprived of theirs.)

Humans have a unique ability aside from the animal domain, to identify righteousness and unrighteousness.

When my dog is fed dinner, he might sniff to inquire if it smells and tastes good, but he isn’t inquiring if I’ve righteously thought through how to handle his care.

God made man in His image. There are unique discerning features of man with body, soul, and spirit, discernible from other members of the animal kingdom.


45 posted on 05/23/2010 2:18:30 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cacique

I could get behind that.


46 posted on 05/23/2010 2:32:28 PM PDT by Fire_on_High (Trijicon, the scope of CRUSADERS!!)
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