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Arizona Pastor's Worry: Criminalization of Ministry Work (because of state's new immigration law)
Christian Post ^ | 05/26/2010 | Michelle Vu

Posted on 05/27/2010 2:13:24 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

A Phoenix-based youth pastor is worried that his ministry could face legal troubles under Arizona’s new immigration law.

“We don’t ask people for their documents to come hear about Jesus,” said Ian Danley, youth pastor at Neighborhood Ministries, during a conference call with immigration reform advocates Wednesday afternoon.

The evangelical pastor said regular ministry work, such as driving teens to worship events, could be “criminalized” under the new Arizona law if a church worker knowingly transports youths who are illegally residing in the United States.

“The local community here feels under attack,” Danley said. “Recent high school graduates in my youth group are looking at what should be a bright future with little hope.”

Danley was among a group of Christian leaders, businessman, researcher, and policy experts that spoke during the Conservatives for Comprehensive Immigration Reform conference call. The leaders updated participants on how the Arizona immigration law has affected local residents and the national public opinion about comprehensive immigration reform, and how members of Congress feel about taking up the issue.

In April, Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signed SB1070 – an immigration bill seeking the toughest laws against illegal immigrants in the nation.

Under the legislation, immigrants in Arizona are required to carry their alien registration documents at all times or face possible arrest. State police are given the power to interrogate, arrest and charge people suspected of illegally entering the country. And people are prohibited from knowingly transporting illegal immigrants.

Christian groups and leaders across the political and theological spectrum have strongly denounced the new Arizona law.

Earlier in May, conservative evangelical leaders – including Southern Baptist leader Richard Land, National Association of Evangelicals president Leith Anderson, and Liberty Counsel founder Mat Staver – endorsed an ad published in “Roll Call” urging Congress to pass immigration reform.

Faith communities throughout the nation – soon after Arizona passed its new immigration law – held prayer vigils to call on Congress to pass comprehensive immigration reform.

Presently, as many as 17 states are considering to pass Arizona-type immigration law.

“We sympathize with so many who are frustrated in Arizona. But the solution is not piecemeal enforcement that targets Latino,” said the Rev. Samuel Rodriguez, president of National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference. “We need a better solution to make us all safe.”

To Republican lawmakers, Rodriguez said true conservatism is not preserving the white majority but propagating the ideas of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

According to a recent national survey by Public Religion Research Institute, 56 percent of the American public oppose efforts to deport illegal immigrants back to their home countries. The survey also found that three-quarters of Americans agree that, given the opportunity, illegal immigrants would work hard to earn a chance at citizenship.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; arizona; illegalimmigration; ministry; pastors
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1 posted on 05/27/2010 2:13:24 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

nobody is stopping them from evangelizing in MX to Mexicans.


2 posted on 05/27/2010 2:15:51 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ("The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants"-Albert Camus)
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To: SeekAndFind

need to tell pastors this is no immigration law


3 posted on 05/27/2010 2:16:20 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: SeekAndFind
The evangelical pastor said regular ministry work, such as driving teens to worship events, could be “criminalized” under the new Arizona law if a church worker knowingly transports youths who are illegally residing in the United States.

Horse manure! There is no connection between the text of the law (which I read in its entirety) and ministry work. This is just political rhetoric from an activist who puts worship of Obama ahead of worshiping God.

4 posted on 05/27/2010 2:16:36 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: SeekAndFind

Blah, blah, balh . . .



5 posted on 05/27/2010 2:18:22 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
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To: Jeff Chandler

bahl?


6 posted on 05/27/2010 2:18:36 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
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To: SeekAndFind
The evangelical pastor said regular ministry work, such as driving teens to worship events, could be “criminalized” under the new Arizona law if a church worker knowingly transports youths who are illegally residing in the United States.

You mean, like harboring known felons? Or buying stolen merchandise? How about sneaking packages on board an aircraft that you didn't pack?

Our church in Austin would often ask members to take some local members to a larger city, to the Temple - which we adamantly REFUSED to do, for exactly this reason. What's wrong with refusing to aide and abeit a criminal activity?

7 posted on 05/27/2010 2:18:55 PM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: SeekAndFind

The new law simply restates existing federal law.

I’ve never heard of anyone being charged for driving a teenager to church. When it happens, I’ll worry about it.


8 posted on 05/27/2010 2:19:36 PM PDT by marron
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To: SeekAndFind
Since when is the purpose of the church to help people to commit crimes?
9 posted on 05/27/2010 2:20:18 PM PDT by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what shall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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To: SeekAndFind
“We sympathize with so many who are frustrated in Arizona. But the solution is not piecemeal enforcement that targets Latino,” said the Rev. Samuel Rodriguez, president of National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference. “We need a better solution to make us all safe.”

To Republican lawmakers, Rodriguez said true conservatism is not preserving the white majority but propagating the ideas of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

This is not a man of G-d, but a racist !
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
10 posted on 05/27/2010 2:25:26 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: stripes1776
Ever since the seventies, when protestant churches began to die from irrelevance and the Catholic Church began to endure the homosexual onslaught, seminaries have been willing to admit anyone who appears to have a pulse. Intelligence above that of a cabbage is nice but not required.

The above slop is a good clear illustration of why churches are dying off--so many of their "leaders" are too credulous and stupid to function effectively in the real world.

11 posted on 05/27/2010 2:26:41 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: stripes1776
Since when is the purpose of the church to help people to commit crimes?

Well, the general principle is there are just laws and there are unjust laws. The church is NOT supposed to help the government enforce unjust laws ( e.g., give up or tell on Jews because Nazi Germany laws require citizens to do it ).

The problem with this pastor is he is incapable of differentiating between just and unjust laws. I think He believes the Arizona law is like the Nazi German one.
12 posted on 05/27/2010 2:29:02 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Part of evangelizing is teaching people to observe the law.


13 posted on 05/27/2010 2:32:06 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever ( Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness)
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To: SeekAndFind

Googled for “Ian Danley” and immigration...came up with 4,090 results. Really.


14 posted on 05/27/2010 2:33:42 PM PDT by Red Dog #1
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To: SeekAndFind
“Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s” (“Ἀπόδοτε οὖν τὰ Καίσαρος Καίσαρι καὶ τὰ τοῦ Θεοῦ τῷ Θεῷ”) (Matthew 22:21)

Caesar is saying it is illegal for you to be in the US without documentation (visa, green card, etc). So this pastor is aiding and abeting a crime against Caesar (US law)

15 posted on 05/27/2010 2:35:42 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Those That Turn Their Swords into Plows Will Plow For Those That Don't.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Well, the general principle is there are just laws and there are unjust laws.

I've never seen anything in the Bible that would indicate Christians should ignore "unjust" laws. Perhaps you are confusing the passages that show men ignoring laws that impede obedience to God?

16 posted on 05/27/2010 2:36:55 PM PDT by Anti-Utopian ("Come, let's away to prison; We two alone will sing like birds I' th' cage." -King Lear [V,iii,6-8])
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First of all, under the law the police can ask for one’s ID ONLY if they are stopped for some potential or actual offense (ranging from a traffic violation to a suspect in a felony)! Normal ministry activities don’t qualify.

Second of all, this pastor needs to be set straight. You CANNOT worship both God and obama, since obama has set himself up as a god.

I hope that this pastor is not using his ministry as an excuse to harbor illegals, or to justify open borders and open immigration. That IS breaking existing law!!! The REAL solution to the immigration problem is to improve Mexico, not for America to set up a “y’all come” sign at the border and in “advocacy” centers.


17 posted on 05/27/2010 2:38:54 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: hinckley buzzard
The above slop is a good clear illustration of why churches are dying off--so many of their "leaders" are too credulous and stupid to function effectively in the real world.

Neither Protestants nor Catholics have a monopoly on inane and feel-good theology. I would say they are equally infected with the decay of sound theology. I don't know where liberation, socialist theology began, but it has distorted the thinking of many churches.

18 posted on 05/27/2010 2:40:26 PM PDT by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what shall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hey church, if you are doing something illegal, stop it!


19 posted on 05/27/2010 2:41:54 PM PDT by fish hawk (the)
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To: SeekAndFind
“We don’t ask people for their documents to come hear about Jesus,”


20 posted on 05/27/2010 2:42:02 PM PDT by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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