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Teachers' Seniority Rights Under Assault in Cleveland, Across the Nation
Cleveland Plain Dealer ^
| 5/31/2010
| Thomas Ott
Posted on 05/31/2010 6:39:51 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
Education is too important to be left in the hands of government.
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posted on
05/31/2010 6:41:49 PM PDT
by
highlander_UW
(Education is too important to leave in the hands of the government.)
To: nickcarraway
“experts who say experience and effectiveness don’t always go hand in hand”
Can one say “teachers unions”. The unions make it harder to get rid of the goof balls early on.
To: nickcarraway
>> seniority rights
Hmmm... I missed the enumeration of those “rights” in my cursory reading of the Constitution.
I guess they emanated (faintly) from some penumbra, and my eyesight *is* fading, I admit that...
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posted on
05/31/2010 6:44:04 PM PDT
by
Nervous Tick
(Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
To: nickcarraway
Let me know when they grant Cleveland students Competency Rights (i.e. their right to have competent teachers teaching them).
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posted on
05/31/2010 6:46:01 PM PDT
by
Hoodat
(.For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
To: Parley Baer
Until one is tenured, they can be fired for any reason. My husband is a teacher (a good one!) and is fed up with administrators who lack the guts to fire new teachers who are clearly incompetent or complete slime bags. Administrators have more power than people realize. Unions may be powerful, but administrators could do more...it would just take effort, and that is something that the well paid administrators don't seem to want to put forth. Administrators get paid 2 to 3 times what teachers make and they are responsible for what goes on in the school-it would be nice if people started holding them accountable as well.
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posted on
05/31/2010 6:48:43 PM PDT
by
Spudx7
To: Spudx7
Yes, it would be nice, but don’t look for it to happen until a few of them are fired by the School Boards to get the point across.
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posted on
05/31/2010 6:57:13 PM PDT
by
WHBates
To: nickcarraway
We’re insolvent. Where do we get the money? Raise taxes? That’s a joke.
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posted on
05/31/2010 7:06:11 PM PDT
by
griswold3
(Barack Obama’s First Law of Leadership: “I just work here.”)
To: nickcarraway
My students have consistently scored in the 90% range on state testing and I am not afraid to put my expertise up against any other teachers.
I do worry however that since I have been teaching for 28 yeas, they would not hesitate to get rid of me in a NY minute because of budget constraints.
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posted on
05/31/2010 7:11:47 PM PDT
by
mware
(F-R-E-E, that spells free, Free Republic.com baby.)
To: nickcarraway
"teacher's seniority rights"
How ridiculous! What sort of a "right" is this?
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posted on
05/31/2010 7:13:31 PM PDT
by
Jim Noble
(If the answer is "Republican", it must be a stupid question)
To: nickcarraway
Seniority has always been a pet peeve of mine. It was intended to protect against favoritism (you know like rewarding the hardest worker by promoting him/her). Most labor contracts read “senior qualified” but you can forget the qualified caveat. Disqualifying the senior man is like a criminal trial — beyond the shadow of a doubt.
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posted on
05/31/2010 7:16:28 PM PDT
by
JimSEA
To: WHBates
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posted on
05/31/2010 7:24:49 PM PDT
by
B-Cause
(Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
To: nickcarraway
Thomas Ash, an executive with Ohio's Buckeye Association of School Administrators, served 21 years as superintendent of the East Liverpool district That's something I wouldn't want on my resume.
To: mware
My students have consistently scored in the 90% range on state testing My complaint (and that of my son,13) is that the curriculum is all about teaching to the test.
To: Spudx7
Most education administrators were originally teachers who were Peter Principled into administration.
Shut down the administration buildings of the school systems, and make sure not one of those things inside ever gets inside a classroom again.
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posted on
05/31/2010 7:39:04 PM PDT
by
GladesGuru
(In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
To: buccaneer81
I teach Life Science. The state test in Science covers Earth Science which we teach in 6th grade, Life Science 7th grade, and Physical Science 8th grade.
Since we do not have a spiral curriculum we do a one week review of material covered from past years.
I wouldn't call that teaching to the test, just refreshing their memory.
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05/31/2010 7:40:18 PM PDT
by
mware
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To: buccaneer81
If the test is a good measure of what the student should master for the year, what’s wrong with “teaching to the test”? You cannot have content-free or structure-free education in a school setting. That is axiomatic. So, “teaching to the test” is a good thing.
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posted on
06/01/2010 2:06:52 AM PDT
by
Las Vegas Dave
(To anger a Conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a Liberal, tell him the truth.)
To: the808bass
“If the test is a good measure of what the student should master for the year, whats wrong with teaching to the test? You cannot have content-free or structure-free education in a school setting. That is axiomatic. So, teaching to the test is a good thing.”
It depends on how you teach to a test. If your class is nothing but preparation to fill out bubble sheets and never teaches you thinking skills or how to connect the dots between different bits of content then it is a problem. If students are able to learn the content in an environment that also teaches them to process it then it works.
To: nickcarraway
I don’t anyone wants to discount seniority completely.
Teachers with experience are a good thing, and experience is a difficult quality to measure. Seniority isn’t necessarily the same thing, but it probably has enough correlation that it should be considered.
Plus, I can sympathize with those who are in the high income brackets of their careers not wanting to be fired purely so new hires at lower income levels can replace them for less money.
But, unions have for decades operated under the banner of “seniority uber alles”. That is the problem. Seniority trumps everything, including common sense.
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posted on
06/01/2010 6:02:43 AM PDT
by
chrisser
(Starve the Monkeys!)
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