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Is Housing Already Double Dipping? (Purchase apps at 13 yr. low, prices to decline 7-15%?)
Pragmatic Capitalist ^ | June 4, 2010

Posted on 06/05/2010 3:06:45 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The market was ecstatic on Wednesday in anticipation of Friday’s big job’s report. But while the market rallied 2.5%+ there was a potentially far more important story than the census driven job’s report: the real estate data. While the data came in “better than expected”, primarily due to the end of the home buyers tax credit, there was an underlying red flag. As the end of Spring buying season coincided with the tax credit the buyers have literally become non-existent in the housing market. This was clear in the most recent mortgage applications data also released on Wednesday. Diana Olick at CNBC has done a fantastic job covering the housing market. She had the details yesterday:

“Mortgage applications to purchase a home began to sink. Now, four weeks later, mortgage purchase applications are down nearly 40 percent from a month ago to their lowest level since April of 1997. Yes, you can argue that a larger-than normal share of buyers today are all cash, but those are largely investors.

That means real organic buyers are exiting in droves.”

And she isn’t the only one noting the red flag. In Thursday’s missive David Rosenberg also pointed to the plummeting mortgage applications:

The good news at least is that U.S. mortgage applications for refinancing purposes rose 2.4% during the May 28th week — the fourth increase in a row and while hardly a major boom that should cause any forecast shift and it does add a bit of coinage in household pocketbooks. But the big problem is with housing demand given that the homebuyer tax credits are behind us — mortgage applications for new purchases fell 4.1% and down for four weeks running. This is where the rubber meets the road for new home sales — a fresh 13-year low.

The year-on-year trend in purchases is -34% and that is compound off a late-May 2009 trend of -20%. How bad is that? And this is with mortgage rates at 4.83%? No doubt there are scars left over from the misery of being a homebuyer following the detonation of the last bubble and attitudes towards debt and housing have been altered semi-permanently.”

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Is the housing market already double dipping? That certainly appears to be the case – and exactly on cue as the government steps aside. While the mortgage applications are no guarantee of a renewed trend the warning flags are popping up all over the place. In addition to the negative seasonal trends ahead of us, we are also seeing lumber prices off 33% in the last month, continuing high historical inventories, a slew of mortgage resets in the coming years, and the biggie – the end of government intervention.

Earlier this year I detailed my outlook on housing and why I believe the real estate market is on the precipice of a double dip. I said we were likely in for further declines of 7-15% starting with the end of government stimulus:

“House prices decline 7%-15%. This is the most probable outcome in my opinion. In this scenario the private sector remains weak, labor markets rebound slowly, wage growth remains tepid, the economy grows below trend, government stimulus stops bolstering markets in 2011/2012, the economy perhaps double dips or re-recessions in 2012, and house prices ultimately succumb to the laws of supply and demand and decline another 15% or so.”

Investors are keenly focused on the potential time bomb in Europe, but housing is the domino that set the whole collapse in motion in 2007. The housing market was largely stabilized by government intervention. The consumer is likely to move in tandem with their largest asset. If we experience the 7-15% price decline over the coming 24 months that I expect we should see a retrenchment in consumer balance sheets and further tightening of the credit markets.

I have maintained that the housing stimulus was an enormous waste of money and nothing more than price fixing that would temporarily stabilize the markets. The government is about to find out why bailing out the losers ultimately works to the detriment of markets. Let’s just hope the downturn isn’t more severe than I suspect. And let’s all pray it doesn’t coincide with increasing contagion across Europe…..


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: economy; housingbubble; mortgages; obama; recession
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To: expat_panama

Look at the housing starts chart and remember that the Dems took Congress in 2006.


21 posted on 06/05/2010 5:24:05 AM PDT by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton)
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To: expat_panama
There's a lot to this. Construction Spending for April was up 2.7%, and April existing home sales was up 5.77M after 5.36M for March. OK, so we all hate Obama; we need to keep our eyes open too.

LOL. A government funded uptick in sales and we "need to keep our eyes open"!

22 posted on 06/05/2010 5:25:48 AM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As a renter who will be in the market for a home purchase in a year or two ... this doesn’t bother me :-D.


23 posted on 06/05/2010 5:27:12 AM PDT by dartuser ("Palin 2012 ... nothing else will do.")
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To: FrogMom
Does this make any sense?

Yes, when you realize the banks are using the TARP money to offset the losses they took in derivatives, etc. They need to show that the books look good. Taking on new debt skews the numbers.

24 posted on 06/05/2010 5:27:46 AM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: raybbr

Since Real Estate offices spend the majority of their advertising dollars with newspapers, the press is usually very favorable and inaccurate.


25 posted on 06/05/2010 5:28:49 AM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: raybbr

Yes, but if they want to “show” the economy is “improving”, wouldn’t they want to snap up debt like this - they are essentially guaranteed to get repaid.


26 posted on 06/05/2010 5:33:03 AM PDT by FrogMom (No such thing as an honest democrat!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No.
In actuality we will be better off when the market corrects itself - restoring affordable housing to young couples without government handouts.


27 posted on 06/05/2010 5:35:50 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have found this website to be a very useful source of information on the economy, gold, and silver.

http://goldismoney.info/forums/


28 posted on 06/05/2010 5:46:20 AM PDT by Silver Sabre
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To: Average Al

The GOP has no clue what to do either. While people are hoping for a GOP victory, their current set of ‘solutions’ won’t do much other than shift the deck chairs to the other side of the ship from where the donkeys put them.


29 posted on 06/05/2010 6:37:14 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: NVDave
"The GOP has no clue what to do either."

You would think a party out of power would have all kinds of solutions to propose. What the heck else do they have to do?

30 posted on 06/05/2010 11:22:30 AM PDT by Average Al
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

Thank you! You read my mind!


31 posted on 06/05/2010 3:59:25 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget. Never Again. (PursuingLiberty.com))
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To: FrogMom
Yes, but if they want to “show” the economy is “improving”, wouldn’t they want to snap up debt like this - they are essentially guaranteed to get repaid.

They are hoarding cash because they know the real downturn hasn't arrived yet.

32 posted on 06/05/2010 5:13:19 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ( "The right to offend is far more important than any right not to be offended." - Rowan Atkinson)
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To: RSmithOpt
IOW, there ain't no money out there. At least not in useful hands. City and states are broke, the feds are broke, europe is broke. Everybody wants to retire but pension funds are broke. We screwed? I think so.
33 posted on 06/05/2010 7:26:40 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Time to start making the point ...


34 posted on 06/05/2010 7:29:01 PM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: FrogMom
Banks are funny that way. I needed a loan once back around 1978, and the bank holding my mortgage was completely uncooperative. I had no other debt, never been late with a payment, wife and I both working, just the one mortgage of maybe 30K at the time. I basically went down the street to another bank and the guy was perfectly reasonable, made a fair deal in an afternoon, and never regretted it.

I think the problem is that many junior banksters are stupid and poorly educated and just don't know much about what they're doing.

35 posted on 06/05/2010 7:35:13 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: FrogMom

One valid reason that a bank might turn down a loan app would be that they’ve gotten some smarts and are considering the possibility that a house “worth” 200k today might appraise at 150k three years from now.


36 posted on 06/06/2010 7:35:28 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (I've been ionized, but I'm okay now.)
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To: Notary Sojac

They were trying to refinance it for what they owed, 90K.


37 posted on 06/06/2010 10:10:20 PM PDT by FrogMom (No such thing as an honest democrat!)
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