Posted on 06/08/2010 8:50:57 PM PDT by SmithL
Mandate schmandate.
We’ve been over this a hundred billion times. When Republicans don’t vote for the nominee, the Democrat wins.
Obama didn’t have a mandate. This didn’t stop him from shoving socialized medicine down our throats despite 70-80% public opposition to it.
You seek to win elections, not send messages. Their are no “moral victories”. You either keep Gerry Brown from further destroying California or you welcome him in to do so.
The ONLY reason I have heard worth a damn for letting Brown win as governor in 2010 was when Dought One said he wanted Brown to be governor when California financially crashes and burns. At least there is sound logic behind the suggestion.
Not me, I will vote against Brown and not give him the opportunity to wreak havoc on my state a 2nd time.
I am wise to the MSM. They will blame the Republican whether he is governor or not when things fall apart. they will just blame Arnold.
Well Arnold proved that a Republican can still win major office in California. It will be pretty hard to paint Meg Whitman as a conservative ideologue. That’s something conservatives dislike but it bodes improved chances for her election in November.
Honestly though, and I take no glee in saying this, I believe California is a lost cause and is fiscally doomed.
Tht is why I voted for Tom McClintock and not Arnold in the recall election. I knew Arnold would win. I knew because the bulk of California voters are mindless idiots who go for the biggest name or watch one TV commercial.
If I ran a guy named Che Guvera on the California ticket, I bet he would get 40% of the vote on name recognition alone.
Remember it well! Among other things that idiot started that is driving this once beautiful place into third world.
Being on the general election ballot is important. It’s educational. It may not pay off for you, but it plants a seed in people’s minds, what sound policy should be.
If there are eight candidates running for an office, 99% of people won’t look at each one’s message. They’ll glom on to some person they think the party wants, and vote for them.
And what takes place is that the Democrats can now pick the two candidates.
Okay, let’s say a Marxist and a Conservative are on the final ballot. People may not vote for the Conservative, but they will hear their message. If things don’t go well during the next 2-6 years, the message may ring true and be influence the voter to vote differently later on.
If two Marxists on on the ballot, our message is silenced.
The voices aren’t as loud in the primaries. The left just put muzzles on Conservatives.
I’ll be voting, but just not for that position. I could write in, but that would pretty much be a waste of time.
I voted for Miller. I suppose I could write him in. I’ll give it some thought.
One idea I have liked from previous elections, is writing in a person like Ronald Reagan. The write in won’t win anyway, but it sure sends a message what the voters want.
I don’t agree.
I think that only happens if you have an electorate that only wants to hear the Marxist message, or the best conservative candidate is so awful that he can’t draw any more than 30% of the electorate.
If either is the case then he wasn’t going to win any way.
I don’t think this rule prevents conservatives from winning, or being heard. The reason why conservatives haven’t been winning in California is because the electorate isn’t very conservative, and there haven’t been a really strong conservative candidates, and when I say strong I don’t just mean someone who can tick off the issues, but also a strong campaigner who can communicate the message.
Look, you can defend this every which way from Sunday if you think this isn’t a problem, but the fact is Republicans will not be selecting their own candidates. Democrats will be helping them do it.
That is NOT a good game plan.
Part of the reason, perhaps the main reason we have John McCain winning re-election time after time, is because Democrats are selecting him to run. You get a small part of the Republicans wanting McCain, and then a ton of Democrats. We can’t get a Conservative on the November ballot.
What’s your plan when the Dems don’t even loft a candidate, because they love our RINO so much?
But this precisely won’t happen because the Dems will be voting for their Democratic candidate, rather than meddle with the Republican one, because now not only is there an incentive for finishing 1st, but also 2nd.
The open primaries you’re talking about allowed people to vote in both.
Any plan that allows Democrats to decide who the two candidates on the ballot will be, is rigged for the left.
You are signing on to a plan that means no Conservative will ever be listed on the November ballot again.
This is political suicide, and you keep heralding the beauty of it.
Nonsense.
Personally I don’t agree with you assessment, if a conservative can pull 30 to 33% of the vote, then he’ll be one of the final 2.
And if he can’t do that, then to problem is the voters of California, are the terrible conservative candidates we have, we should try to change that, rather than blame the system.
“and I don’t need to talk about his ideas on taxation.”
Yes, well people tend to talk all too much about Laffer’s ideas on taxation without the ability to separate the mythology from the substance. Which isn’t surprising considering that Laffer has a habit of never correcting interviewers’ mistaken assumptions about his ideas. Laffer lets people think that tax cuts ‘pay for themselves’ by generating increased tax revenue. He knows that the sole instance of that happening has been with capital gains taxes, but pointing that out spoils a good story. And Art likes stories that enhance his reputation. On the other hand the Art Laffer - Peter Schiff debate is one story that Art doesn’t like all that much:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU6PamCQ6zw
I’m not disagreeing. I’m just saying people on the left have a knee jerk reaction against him.
Not using your Constitutional right to vote disrespects that right. Not pulling the lever (or writing in) is the same as staying home. By writing in you’ve made two statements: First, you don’t like the candidate that’s on the ballet. Second, you’ve indicated the type of candidate you would prefer.
I’m appalled at the low turnout for this last round of NJ primaries. People who do not participate in the political process deserve every bad thing that happens to them.
When conservatives vote for RINOs the Demrat Party wins. Continuing to vote for RINOs only emboldens the Demrat coopted GOP to give us more of the same.
In any case, we’re already seeing that in races where conservative voters rejected the GOP machine candidate, in favor of the Tea Party candidate, the Tea Party candidate can win.
Your argument that any GOP candidate is better than a demrat is specious at best and disengenuous at worst.
It really doesn’t matter if you agree with me. There’s one undeniable truth you still haven’t been able to comprehend. Persons telling the truth may not win, but it is very important their message get the broadest airing so that people will be exposed to the truth.
That happens best in the general election. If sound people are prevented from getting to the general election, their message does not get the broadest airing.
You have no vested interest whatsoever in allowing the most liberal people to run in the general election, yet you defend that with a passion. That’s self destructive if you’re truly a Conservative.
We had a number of issues on our ballots this time. We do every time. So not voting for one position is not shirking your duty. It’s merely recognizing that neither of the candidates warrant your support. The writing in thing is okay, I think it sends a message, but I don’t see it as something that makes you a good citizen vs a bad citizen if you don’t.
If there is a broad effort to get a particular sound person elected via that route, I think it would be wise to participate.
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