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(Former IDF Deputy Chief of Staff) Uzi Dayan: Israel must announce Turkish warships casus beli
Jerusalem Post ^

Posted on 06/09/2010 1:45:19 PM PDT by jhpigott

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To: Helotes

I doubt Israel will get any help this time,,,

While Iran is out of range Turkey,Lebanon and Syria are not.


41 posted on 06/09/2010 4:32:21 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: rfreedom4u
Since Turkey is a member of NATO and we are not technically allied with Israel by any treaty, would Obama come to Turkey’s aid if asked?

NATO is a defensive alliance and if Turkey was picking a fight with Israel, NATO would be under no obligation to join in.

Whether the Obamanation would join in anyway is anybody’s guess.

42 posted on 06/09/2010 4:38:20 PM PDT by Cheburashka (Stephen Decatur: you want barrels of gunpowder as tribute, you must expect cannonballs with it.)
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To: jhpigott
"If the Turkish prime minister joins such a flotilla,” Dayan said, “we should make clear beforehand this would be an act of war, and we would not try to take over the ship he was on, but would sink it.”

A classic Turkey shoot!

43 posted on 06/09/2010 4:46:10 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: plain talk
Israel would be isolated.

She already is and it is perfectly clear that Obama will no longer support Israel. That said and considering that Israel is now alone in her quest for her very survival, she must play this correctly or she's finished. Israel is backed into a corner. The only thing she can do is to fight for her very existence.
44 posted on 06/09/2010 4:53:22 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey (The bigger the government = The smaller the people)
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To: Fred Hayek
It would also be constitutional.

The Turkish military is designated as the protectors of the Constitution and have a duty to remove an unconstitutional government.

They have done it before and then returned to their barracks.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

45 posted on 06/09/2010 4:55:15 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: jhpigott

Debka file has been talking about this for some weeks now and the situation is even uglier than this post lets on. Hint: Iran is getting into the game too.


46 posted on 06/09/2010 4:59:58 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine .. now it is your turn..)
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To: Cheetahcat

Didn’t the Turkish government arrest some officers a few months back?


47 posted on 06/09/2010 5:00:43 PM PDT by wiggen (Government owned slave.)
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To: katana
It gets better. Uzi means strength, and is normally short for Uzziel, "God is my Strength".
48 posted on 06/09/2010 5:04:35 PM PDT by rmlew (There is no such thing as a Blue Dog Democrat; just a liberals who lies.)
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To: wiggen

Big article the other day on how the Young Turks of the Moslem movement/government have been clamping down on the Old Turks of the military, thus gutting it of leaders who could oppose an Islamic dictatorship.

The author was of the opinion that it is too late now for the military to stage a coup.

Forgot who wrote the article but it may have been from the British press.


49 posted on 06/09/2010 5:05:34 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: ketelone

And most of their strike F-4s are F-4 2000’s purchased from Israel. I wouldn’t put it past the Israelis to put in an “auto-eject” button.


50 posted on 06/09/2010 5:05:49 PM PDT by rmlew (There is no such thing as a Blue Dog Democrat; just a liberals who lies.)
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To: PIF

Iran will start the shooting with the Turks there. Once they get get it started the Turks will surely jump in.
We on the other hand,led by Jimmy Carters heir apparent won’t help our long time ally. Watch the markets then. As if there wasn’t enough bad news.


51 posted on 06/09/2010 5:06:04 PM PDT by wiggen (Government owned slave.)
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To: Michael Barnes

Israel upgraided the F-15s. Also half of the total F-15 kills were made by Israeli pilots, the first using the m-61 20mm cannon. Lebanon is littered with Syrian fighters.


52 posted on 06/09/2010 5:08:06 PM PDT by rmlew (There is no such thing as a Blue Dog Democrat; just a liberals who lies.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

I think it would depend on how serious the troops were willing to get.


53 posted on 06/09/2010 5:08:13 PM PDT by wiggen (Government owned slave.)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

You may be right about the US not helping Israel, but that is what allies are supposed to do, especially it comes to the US and Israel.


54 posted on 06/09/2010 5:09:54 PM PDT by Helotes
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To: rfreedom4u

Here’s a better question....

if 0bamao responded affirmatively to a Turkey request that the NTO treaty be invoked, would our military take arms against Israel?


55 posted on 06/09/2010 5:10:20 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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Makes sense, it is an act of war.

For those raising the NATO issue, NATO is a defensive pact, which in my view is no longer relevant. NATO members are in no way obligated to join Turkey in an attack on another nation, Israel. NATO supported the USA in Afghanistan, it was the nominal source of the 9/11 attack. NATO didn't participate in the Iraq war, despite UN approval, since it wasn't a defensive action. It's a non issue. If Turkey pushes this, it's because they want to give Hizbollah reason to launch an attack in north. A pretty good distraction as Iran completes their first bombs. One which could easily backfire as Israel might not be distracted from the Iranian threat.

56 posted on 06/09/2010 5:16:03 PM PDT by SJackson (most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it, M Sanger)
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To: rmlew

Cool! Thanks for the info!...


57 posted on 06/09/2010 5:35:02 PM PDT by Michael Barnes (Call me when the bullets start flying.)
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To: ketelone
Turkey is a NATO state.

And exactly what have they done in the past ten or twenty years to behave like one?

MM (in TX)

58 posted on 06/09/2010 5:48:16 PM PDT by MississippiMan (http://gogmagogblog.wordpress.com/)
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To: jhpigott

I’m not sure if you guys know this but if you are on twitter you can follow official announcements from the IDF. They’ve been very active with tweets about how much aid Israel is sending into Gaza, etc. The account is @idfspokesperson. It’s been very enlightening.


59 posted on 06/09/2010 5:51:25 PM PDT by Chickenhawk Warmonger (The Media Lied & Soldiers Died)
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To: richardtavor

Psalm 83
1Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God.

2For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.

3They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.

4They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.

5For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:

6The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;

7Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;

8Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.

9Do unto them as unto the Midianites; as to Sisera, as to Jabin, at the brook of Kison:

10Which perished at Endor: they became as dung for the earth.

11Make their nobles like Oreb, and like Zeeb: yea, all their princes as Zebah, and as Zalmunna:

12Who said, Let us take to ourselves the houses of God in possession.

13O my God, make them like a wheel; as the stubble before the wind.

14As the fire burneth a wood, and as the flame setteth the mountains on fire;

15So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm.

16Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O LORD.

17Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish:

18That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.


60 posted on 06/09/2010 5:54:55 PM PDT by SF_Redux
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