Posted on 06/09/2010 1:45:19 PM PDT by jhpigott
And that’s my worry. I don’t know what would happen, but I am pretty sure that more than a few countries in NATO would be extremely adverse to the idea of war with Israel. The possibility is that Turkey might be booted from NATO.
“...Time for the Turkish military to take control again...”
They’ve been purged, according to an article that was posted out here a few weeks back. Purged and replaced with Islamicist sycophants - quitely, professionally, and strategically...
That is ashame.
Actually, it’s a crime.
A shame is something that happens, that couldn’t be helped.
This could have been stopped. By a few well-placed 7.62 rounds; and wasn’t.
It’s what happens when those with malicious motives are allowed to run amok, and the good, decent folk of ANY society (and yes, there’s good decent moslem folk too) don’t smack them down swiftly, promptly, and in final fashion...
That, and wait out the tenure of the usurper in chief.
I suspect that US forces would resort to active avoidance.
I assume pilots would not “engage” and would play cat and mouse rather than fight those they consider great and sincere allies. At least, I hope that’s what would occur on both sides.
This is a very bad thing. Thank you Obama and those who voted for him.
Maybe so, but its also not so clear cut as that. As we sink deeper into depression will US consumers continue to buy Chinese products, if Americans stop buying them because of economic troubles caused by the depression, then the Chinese will no longer be deterred from fighting the US for fear of losing its share of the US market because they will have already lost the US market. In such a scenario, China would probably then turn to bolster its own domestic market, and work on developing new markets altogether which would give the US less influence over China. Also, Chinese aggressiveness (which has become boldly aggressive towards the US as of late) will depend on other circumstances and other mitigating factors.
The Chinese will not idly sit by and watch the US fight a war on their doorstep in Korea (which it considers to be within its sphere of influence.) They will see a major military presence there as a serious external threat. Also, the Russians will probably not want the US in Korea either, since the US has been surrounding Russia with strategic bases. Most of the US manufacturing base has been outsourced, we are not what we used to be. Also, if the US is engaged in a multi-front war in the middle-east already, the US's power to deal with China would be substantially weakened.
As for us being safe because the Chinese own our debt/treasuries, that is only a temporary security (no pun intended) for the US. The Chinese know that we will probably never be able to pay the debt back to them. We are bankrupt. If we pay them back it will most likely be through monetizing the debt, which would make the money worthless to them anyway. (I suppose that the US could also offer its land/natural resources as collateral to China for its debt, but that would be bordering complete financial slavery and itself be a national security threat. I wouldn't put it past Obama to try it though.)Regardless, if America stops buying Chinese goods or our dollar is rendered worthless because of inflation, then it will become much more difficult to keep an increasingly aggressive Chinese government in check.
I disagree with you on only one thing: that the Chinese would *let* us fight a war in Korea. The odds are better that the Chinese would declare a “Jiabao Doctrine,” claiming that any attempts by foreign powers to “interfere” in Asian affairs would be treated as aggression against China.
Personally, I do not think that the Chinese wish to subdue America by military force. They can do it by owning us.Their contempt for our self-indulgent behaviors leads them to believe that there is no way that the US will not eventually collapse under its own sloth and greed for consumer goods.
The US has already spent itself to the breaking point and if it attempts to print money to pay for a huge war (because no one is going to lend it to us), we could have a currency crisis. The US's enemies don't have to beat our air/naval superiority. They only need to bleed us financially to death and that may be enough to overcome the might of the US military.
I agree with you and think a scenario like the one you describe is probably the most likely scenario. I don’t think China is looking for war with the US right now, but I don’t think that they will just let the full might of the US military waltz into their sphere of influence. Any attempt to exert US influence militarily in the region could result in vigorous opposition from the Chinese by economic, diplomatic, and possibly even military means. I think China knows that the US cannot keep up its spending (and therefore its influence)in the region forever, and therefore the Chinese probably prefer to fight the US by waiting us out. The US will destroy itself without any help from the Chinese if it keeps on its present course.
For that matter, what has ANY NATO state done to justify its membership in the past 20? The USSR is gone.
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