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Genetic testing raises an age-old question — are the Jews a people, or a religion?
NY Post ^ | June 13, 2010 | MAYRAV SAAR

Posted on 06/13/2010 3:38:27 AM PDT by Scanian

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To: texteacher

Perhaps, but that gets into the realms of British Israelism and that’s a no go for me! Peter was told to preach to the gentiles(”that which God has called clean, none shall call unclean”) and I doubt many of them had Jewish blood at that time. Paul said the jews of the time were cursed with a “veil” over their hearts to keep the majority of them from coming to Christ while the gentiles were coming to Christ in such numbers, “as to create jealousy” in Jewish hearts, specifically the religious leaders of Jewry at the time.


61 posted on 06/13/2010 10:55:44 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Mike Mathis is my name,opinions are my own,subject to flaming when deserved!)
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To: donmeaker

Ar one point while he was trying to keep one step from Saul....he made a temporary alliance with one of the neighboring kings.


62 posted on 06/13/2010 11:00:08 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Mike Mathis is my name,opinions are my own,subject to flaming when deserved!)
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To: MosesKnows

The Northern tribes were split from Judah about 150 years after David’s time, then later captured, enslaved and lost to history. So that the levites and the tribe of Judah were separate from everyone else...from these came the “jews” but in reality the Jews are Hebrew, the same as the “lost” tribes...and all of these other “hebrews descended from the line of Jacob are going to be returned some day.


63 posted on 06/13/2010 11:06:39 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Mike Mathis is my name,opinions are my own,subject to flaming when deserved!)
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To: gandalftb

Ishmael’s mother was Egyptian the father was Abraham...Perhaps a study of egyptian genetics should be brought into the mix here.


64 posted on 06/13/2010 11:22:41 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Mike Mathis is my name,opinions are my own,subject to flaming when deserved!)
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To: Scanian

Race vs Grace. Skin vs Sin. The basic premise of this article is incorrect, in my opinion. Judaism and Christian Dispensational Premillennialism wrongly place the emphasis on race, when it should be on grace - grace, according to the New Testament, that comes only through faith in Jesus Christ.

The former, of course, do not believe in Jesus Christ. The latter do, but ignore what the New Testament has to say about the election. Apart from Jesus Christ, according to the New Testament, regardless to what race they are, Jews included, no people, no race, can be “God’s chosen people.”


65 posted on 06/13/2010 11:39:06 AM PDT by sasportas
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To: Scanian

Fascinating. As an armchair geneticist I really find this interesting.

But one thing is missing. Judaism is marked by the Neshama, the Jewish soul, if you will. And converts to Judaism are said to have always had a Jewish soul, even before they knew they would convert. And converts to Judaism are absolutely as Jewish as the most frum (pious) rabbi.

The one thing genes cannot read are the souls, so added to those of genetic Jewish heritage, there are many who under the scope look gentile but are Jewish too! :)


66 posted on 06/13/2010 2:47:04 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: gandalftb

My friend, who happens to have a very Semitic look, more than most American Jews, was visiting Israel with friends and they were somewhere out in the hot desert. They were given those Arab head-dressings in order to keep themselves cooler while they trekked. He went to the restroom somewhere, looked at himself in the mirror, and had a revelation. “We are the same people!”


67 posted on 06/13/2010 2:54:47 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: GiovannaNicoletta; Tribune7

Actaully, GN, I believe you are in the vast majority of Evangelical Christians, anticipating millions (more) dead Jews, and Tribune7 is in a small minority.

Sorry I did not make that clear.


68 posted on 06/13/2010 3:51:51 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: TNdandelion
but I don’t believe that historical (or religious) reasons give anyone claim to land.

So you don't believe if you paid for your car or truck in cash from the dealership, paid all taxes, permits, licenses, and interest fees, that even though you have indeed purchased the vehicle, that historical record has no bearing on your claim of ownership of that vehicle?

69 posted on 06/13/2010 3:57:35 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: jacquej
There is no reason for this!

Sure there is. Satan and the fallen angels were condemned to the lake of Fire many years ago. There is somewhat of an appeals trial ongoing with the human race demonstrating to all the angelic domain the veracity of God's Word.

God has made a contract with only one nation in all of humanity, that is with Israel. That's not the same political entity as we see today in the Middle East, but there is a racial, spiritual species of humans known as the Hebrew nation, Israel, which He has made a contract with and has yet to be entirely fulfilled.

The reason for the animosity and adversity faced by Israel today is really quite simple. If the Adversary can remove all members of the Hebrew nation from the face of the planet, then God will be unable to keep His contract with that party, let alone the number of many Prophecies for the Hebrew nation in the Millennial reign.

It's really very simple. The devil hates Israel and anything associated with her and Christ. If he can destroy her, he will. If he can't influence her, he'll influence and even possess the thinking of those around her who lack fellowship or indwelling by God.

Until the fallen angels have been placed in the Lake of Fire, this enmity for anything Jewish will continue.

70 posted on 06/13/2010 4:06:10 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: gandalftb

Thanks gandalftb.


71 posted on 06/13/2010 4:11:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Cvengr

It’s strange that you would bring that up since no one made that argument. Historically, the Native Americans nomadically roamed the land that I’m currently living on. I’m not giving my land back on some romantic notion like history or religion.


72 posted on 06/13/2010 4:15:25 PM PDT by TNdandelion
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To: TNdandelion

Maybe you ought to study up on property rights.

BTW, property rights began from God’s Word to the Hebrew nation.


73 posted on 06/13/2010 4:28:25 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr

I don’t prescribe to Middle Eastern religions or your god.


74 posted on 06/13/2010 4:48:16 PM PDT by TNdandelion
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75 posted on 06/13/2010 4:57:56 PM PDT by SJackson (most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it, M Sanger)
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76 posted on 06/13/2010 6:17:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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This genetic documentation is wonderful, imho.

No doubt evil folks will find a way to use it for evil. Still, Praise God for the confirmation.


77 posted on 06/13/2010 6:24:59 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Dem Guard

Later in the article it talks abou 6th century BC.


78 posted on 06/13/2010 6:26:12 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Rocky

I do think they have some work to do to tidy their timelines up with actual history.


79 posted on 06/13/2010 6:27:41 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Dem Guard

I don’t see it that flawed at all.

It’s merely a VERY COMPLEX set of issues . . . and this study is merely a tiny snapshot of a lot of data, not by any means the whole of such data that might be collected.

And this article is a popular consumption article, not an exhaustive scientific journal article.


80 posted on 06/13/2010 6:29:43 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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