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To: Gaffer
You're right on with Goobermint Motors. I won't buy anything post-2006 or 7 for certain. That's why I'm still running 10 and 15 yr olds! And will keep doing as long as the UAW/DNC runs them.

And based on the new CAFE limits, ain't nobody going to build anything but crappy little Citroens from here on out anyhow.

I'll be taking up the 55 Chevy Cuban Car Club maintenance model! Oldy but goody with baling wire if I have to!

But the main point was that brand loyalty is already anachronistic.

It doesn't mean anything anymore.

Cars and gas (somewhat less so) are not vertically integrated anymore.

Bosch, NTK, Denso, Delphi, etc don't always manufacture the sensors either. Sometimes they subcontract further to Standard Motor Products and other off brand replacement parts outfits which repackage baseline components in new fittings and new connectors for the OEM app.

The local gas station has no idea what is getting dumped in their tanks. How much water and dirt and scale has gotten into the tanker/hoses/undergorund-tanks? And whether it's 15% or 8% ethanol, your car needs to be able to reliably burn it.

If you can get 200,000 miles without changing any engine components other than fan belts and filters, then that's a reliable mix of system integration engineering and good oem components.

If not, it's not.

Wanna talk about consumer electronics "brands!?" LOL.

18 posted on 06/14/2010 5:58:05 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine
All I was really trying to say was that I did notice a change on my car's sensor based on the amount of ethanol in the gas. I researched online after I suspected that the two brands I'd been using seemed to make that sensor malfunction more often over other brands, a BP station I'd stop at sometimes. I found references to some wideband 02 sensors not operating properly with higher concentrations of ethanol in gas.

I finally quit using the Q/T R/T brands and the sensor problem went away on my Honda. Who knows, in Q/T R/Ts quests for the lowest price, they aren't looking so much at the percentage in ethanol in the gas. My guess is that whoever supplied the BP station isn't spiking their gas with as much ethanol, that's all. Can't prove it, but the sensor doesn't trip anymore.

Regardless, I'm not strictly tied to BP, I just don't buy Q/T, R/T any more at least in my neck of the woods in Georgia.

19 posted on 06/14/2010 6:52:05 AM PDT by Gaffer ("Profiling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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