[sickoflibs]

RE :”What benefits? “

You do know it's a redistribution bill, right?

RE :”Obamacare is far more than unpopular. It is unconstitutional since Article 1 Section 8 does not specifically list regulating health care as an enumerated power! The people are not bound to comply with an unconstitutional act! This is the fundamental point people need to understand when dealing with these flaming socialists/marxists! “

I am skeptical of the courts overturning even the mandates in the Obama-care bill. (And the mandates they passed were very lame, will put insurance companies out of business when they are ignored because of the other mandates on companies.) Both the 1960s civil rights act and medicaid were passed with a bogus interpretation of US constitution interstate commerce clause that would apply to this too, and now the country is dependent on those precidents. Look how Rand Paul got crusified for even answering a direct question on Civil Rights Act.

For political reasons the mandate is called a fine, not a middle class tax increase. For legal reasons it is called a tax, because congress has the power to tax you as they give you a tax credit for buying a car.

I don't see how we get out of this.

[Man50D]

I don't see how we get out of this.

Our founding fathers foresaw how we could rid ourselves of a tyrannical, runaway government. To quote a passage from the Declaration of Independence:

"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

They understood the people are the government, not SCOTUS, not Congress and not the White House. The three branches operate only at the consent of the governed. The people will have the final say as to how they are governed.