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Guns and Free Speech (The NRA sells out to the Dems and aids their re-election)
The Wall Street Journal ^ | June 16, 2010 | Editorial

Posted on 06/15/2010 6:43:01 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative

The National Rifle Association is suffering a sudden onset of amnesia this week, as the gun lobby cuts a deal to exempt itself from the latest Congressional attempt to repeal the First Amendment. NRA members may soon regret the organization's bid to ingratiate itself with Democrats at the expense of its longtime free-speech allies.

The campaign finance bill, sponsored by Senator Chuck Schumer and Representative Chris Van Hollen, is the Democratic response to the Supreme Court's January decision in Citizens United v. FEC, which restored the First Amendment right of corporations, unions and nonprofits to make independent campaign expenditures. At the time, the NRA's Wayne LaPierre called Citizens United "a defeat for arrogant elitists who wanted to carve out free speech as a privilege for themselves and deny it to the rest of us."

Look who's arrogant and elitist now. Under the Schumer-Van Hollen bill, political speech would be bound up with new restrictions, including special burdens on government contractors and corporations that have a certain level of foreign ownership or received TARP funds. The bill also includes disclosure rules designed to hit corporations, requiring CEOs to appear to "approve this message" the way politicians do, and for groups to identify their donors. Except for the NRA.

Under the NRA carve-out in the House bill, the new rules won't apply to any organizations that have been around for more than 10 years, have more than a million members and receive less than 15% of their funding from corporate donors. That fits the NRA nicely, though as best we can figure, everyone else, from the Sierra Club to Planned Parenthood, fails to qualify. So much for defending the little guy against the fat cats.

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To: St. Louis Conservative
...as the gun lobby cuts a deal to exempt itself from the latest Congressional attempt to repeal the First Amendment.

I was just reading the NRA alert e-mail a few hours ago and this was exactly the impression I got too. Disgusting.

41 posted on 06/15/2010 10:29:59 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY ("The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen." -Dennis Prager)
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To: 23 Everest
I guess you don’t have a subscription to America’s 1st Freedom.

I had a subscription but I didn't renew given the NRA's direction.

And don’t call me ignorant & don’t call me greedy even though I am a capitalist.

Any individual or group who is willing to sacrifice their fellow Americans first Amendment rights for that person's or group's own personal gain is one or both. Would you take the same affirmative position if a group was willing to sacrifice your second Amendment rights with the socialists so they could protect their first Amendment rights?
42 posted on 06/16/2010 3:40:58 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Redcloak
As an NRA member, I want the organization to look out for my best interests; not the GOP's.

This issue goes beyond a political party. It involves the first Amendment rights of all Americans. Many if not all those who are NRA members will have their first Amendment rights sacrificed rights as individuals so the NRA can maintain its second Amendment rights. Sacrificing one right for another will only lead to the destruction of all rights for all individuals. Self interest is the mechanism by which socialists seek to divide the country. They did it with bribes to Senators to support the unconstitutional Obamacare and they have now done it with the NRA.

By your line of reasoning it would be acceptable for another group to sacrifice Americans second Amendment rights in order for a group to preserve its first Amendment rights.
43 posted on 06/16/2010 3:50:58 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Man50D

The treaty won’t be ratified in Congress. For that matter, few cops would try to enforce it.


44 posted on 06/16/2010 4:34:12 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: 23 Everest

Too bad for you. I guess you are one of those who feel no shame.


45 posted on 06/16/2010 4:57:46 AM PDT by donmeaker (Invicto)
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To: Man50D
By your line of reasoning it would be acceptable for another group to sacrifice Americans second Amendment rights in order for a group to preserve its first Amendment rights.

But that is precisely what you are asking the NRA to do. You expect them to sell out their members' right to keep and bear arms to serve some other purpose.

The NRA is a single issue advocacy group. It is not some sort of conservative political action committee nor is it a wing of the Republican Party. The NRA has the tremendous influence it does because it stays narrowly focused on one issue. It doesn't wander off topic to go serve the whims of the GOP or whatever conservative group to address issues unrelated to the Second Amendment. It is neither conservative nor liberal; neither Republican nor Democrat. Thus the NRA has influence on both sides of the aisle.

To the extent that the First Amendment affects the Second, the NRA's sole obligation is to the membership. They have protected the rights of their members under this bill and thus their work is done.

46 posted on 06/16/2010 8:16:36 AM PDT by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: bobby.223
the/your ‘dude’ thing gave you away tho. anyone over 35 years old does not use ‘dude’. that is how children talk.

Please. I'm pushin' 50, and I'll use "dude" for effect. And if the guy's up to his keister in grandchildren, you gotta expect he'd pick up on the lingo.

Have an eggcellent day, bra!

47 posted on 06/16/2010 9:07:51 AM PDT by gundog (Outrage is anger taken by surprise. Nothing these people do surprises me anymore.)
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To: Man50D

STATEMENT FROM THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION ON H.R. 5175, THE DISCLOSE ACT

Tuesday, June 15, 2010

The National Rifle Association believes that any restrictions on the political speech of Americans are unconstitutional.

In the past, through the courts and in Congress, the NRA has opposed any effort to restrict the rights of its four million members to speak and have their voices heard on behalf of gun owners nationwide.

The NRA’s opposition to restrictions on political speech includes its May 26, 2010 letter to Members of Congress expressing strong concerns about H.R. 5175, the DISCLOSE Act. As it stood at the time of that letter, the measure would have undermined or obliterated virtually all of the NRA’s right to free political speech and, therefore, jeopardized the Second Amendment rights of every law-abiding American.

The most potent defense of the Second Amendment requires the most adamant exercise of the First Amendment. The NRA stands absolutely obligated to its members to ensure maximum access to the First Amendment, in order to protect and preserve the freedom of the Second Amendment.

The NRA must preserve its ability to speak. It cannot risk a strategy that would deny its rights, for the Second Amendment cannot be defended without them.

Thus, the NRA’s first obligation must be to its members and to its most ardent defense of firearms freedom for America’s lawful gun owners.

On June 14, 2010, Democratic leadership in the U.S. House of Representatives pledged that H.R. 5175 would be amended to exempt groups like the NRA, that meet certain criteria, from its onerous restrictions on political speech. As a result, and as long as that remains the case, the NRA will not be involved in final consideration of the House bill.

The NRA cannot defend the Second Amendment from the attacks we face in the local, state, federal, international and judicial arenas without the ability to speak. We will not allow ourselves to be silenced while the national news media, politicians and others are allowed to attack us freely.

The NRA will continue to fight for its right to speak out in defense of the Second Amendment. Any efforts to silence the political speech of NRA members will, as has been the case in the past, be met with strong opposition.

-—nra-—


48 posted on 06/16/2010 5:46:03 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 57)
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To: donmeaker

STATEMENT FROM THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION ON H.R. 5175, THE DISCLOSE ACT

Tuesday, June 15, 2010

The National Rifle Association believes that any restrictions on the political speech of Americans are unconstitutional.

In the past, through the courts and in Congress, the NRA has opposed any effort to restrict the rights of its four million members to speak and have their voices heard on behalf of gun owners nationwide.

The NRA’s opposition to restrictions on political speech includes its May 26, 2010 letter to Members of Congress expressing strong concerns about H.R. 5175, the DISCLOSE Act. As it stood at the time of that letter, the measure would have undermined or obliterated virtually all of the NRA’s right to free political speech and, therefore, jeopardized the Second Amendment rights of every law-abiding American.

The most potent defense of the Second Amendment requires the most adamant exercise of the First Amendment. The NRA stands absolutely obligated to its members to ensure maximum access to the First Amendment, in order to protect and preserve the freedom of the Second Amendment.

The NRA must preserve its ability to speak. It cannot risk a strategy that would deny its rights, for the Second Amendment cannot be defended without them.

Thus, the NRA’s first obligation must be to its members and to its most ardent defense of firearms freedom for America’s lawful gun owners.

On June 14, 2010, Democratic leadership in the U.S. House of Representatives pledged that H.R. 5175 would be amended to exempt groups like the NRA, that meet certain criteria, from its onerous restrictions on political speech. As a result, and as long as that remains the case, the NRA will not be involved in final consideration of the House bill.

The NRA cannot defend the Second Amendment from the attacks we face in the local, state, federal, international and judicial arenas without the ability to speak. We will not allow ourselves to be silenced while the national news media, politicians and others are allowed to attack us freely.

The NRA will continue to fight for its right to speak out in defense of the Second Amendment. Any efforts to silence the political speech of NRA members will, as has been the case in the past, be met with strong opposition.

-—nra-—


49 posted on 06/16/2010 5:47:35 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 57)
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To: bobby.223

STATEMENT FROM THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION ON H.R. 5175, THE DISCLOSE ACT

Tuesday, June 15, 2010

The National Rifle Association believes that any restrictions on the political speech of Americans are unconstitutional.

In the past, through the courts and in Congress, the NRA has opposed any effort to restrict the rights of its four million members to speak and have their voices heard on behalf of gun owners nationwide.

The NRA’s opposition to restrictions on political speech includes its May 26, 2010 letter to Members of Congress expressing strong concerns about H.R. 5175, the DISCLOSE Act. As it stood at the time of that letter, the measure would have undermined or obliterated virtually all of the NRA’s right to free political speech and, therefore, jeopardized the Second Amendment rights of every law-abiding American.

The most potent defense of the Second Amendment requires the most adamant exercise of the First Amendment. The NRA stands absolutely obligated to its members to ensure maximum access to the First Amendment, in order to protect and preserve the freedom of the Second Amendment.

The NRA must preserve its ability to speak. It cannot risk a strategy that would deny its rights, for the Second Amendment cannot be defended without them.

Thus, the NRA’s first obligation must be to its members and to its most ardent defense of firearms freedom for America’s lawful gun owners.

On June 14, 2010, Democratic leadership in the U.S. House of Representatives pledged that H.R. 5175 would be amended to exempt groups like the NRA, that meet certain criteria, from its onerous restrictions on political speech. As a result, and as long as that remains the case, the NRA will not be involved in final consideration of the House bill.

The NRA cannot defend the Second Amendment from the attacks we face in the local, state, federal, international and judicial arenas without the ability to speak. We will not allow ourselves to be silenced while the national news media, politicians and others are allowed to attack us freely.

The NRA will continue to fight for its right to speak out in defense of the Second Amendment. Any efforts to silence the political speech of NRA members will, as has been the case in the past, be met with strong opposition.

-—nra-—


50 posted on 06/16/2010 5:48:53 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 57)
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To: 23 Everest

okay, one more time. grover norquist, CAIR agenda setter, lobbyist, fund raiser and over all heavy hitter ALSO sat on the NRA’s board for years WITH their full knowledge of his anti-American activities in support of that muslim terrorist front group. what don’t you understand about that? open your darn eyes man! the nra of today is not the once great nra of the 50’s and 60’s, (and some will debate the 60’s is when they lost their way....and I’m one of ‘em but I held on ‘till 2008 when the norquist/CAIR/NRA scandal hit), there are other gun groups out there today that will never let a muslim terrorist front man have anything to do with their orgs.


51 posted on 06/16/2010 6:12:59 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: bobby.223

I’m researching this as I type. Hell man, I’m don’t want anything to do with a group that promotes any Muslim agenda. You are giving me news that I am totally ignorant about.

I’m a NRA lifer so I’m a bit shocked by this info. I know there are other groups, GOA are one.


52 posted on 06/16/2010 6:26:03 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 58)
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To: bobby.223

Other political activities

Early in his career, Norquist was executive director of both the National Taxpayers Union and the national College Republicans organization, holding both positions until 1983. Afterward, he held the positions of Economist and Chief Speechwriter at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce from 1983 to 1984.[19]

Norquist traveled to several warzones across the world to help support anti-Soviet guerrilla armies in the second half of the 1980s. He worked with a support network for Col. Oliver North’s efforts with the Nicaraguan contras and other insurgencies, in addition to promoting U.S. support for groups including Mozambique’s RENAMO and Jonas Savimbi’s UNITA in Angola and helping to organize anti-Soviet forces in Laos.[11]

In addition to heading Americans for Tax Reform, Norquist serves on the board of numerous organizations, including the Hispanic Leadership Fund, Indian-American Republican Caucus, and The Nixon Center. He has long been active in building bridges between various ethnic and religious minorities and the free-market community through his involvement with organizations such as the Islamic Free Market Institute, Acton Institute, Christian Coalition and Toward Tradition.

In business, Norquist was a co-founder of the Merritt Group, later renamed Janus-Merritt Strategies.[20]

Norquist also serves on the board of ParentalRights.org, a grassroots organization dedicated to adding a Parental Rights Amendment to the United States Constitution.
[edit] Influence in national politics

Norquist was instrumental in securing early support for then Texas Governor George W. Bush, acting as his unofficial liaison to the conservative movement.[11] After Bush’s first election, Norquist was a key figure involved in crafting Bush’s tax cuts. The Wall Street Journal’s John Fund dubbed him “the Grand Central Station” of conservatism and told The Nation: “It’s not disputable” that Norquist was the key to the Bush campaign’s surprising level of support from movement conservatives in 2000.[21]

Working with eventual Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, Norquist was one of the co-authors of the 1994 Contract with America, and helped to rally grassroots efforts, which he later chronicled in his book Rock the House.[11] Norquist also served as a campaign staff member on the 1988, 1992 and 1996 Republican Platform Committees.[1]

Norquist, along with Bill Kristol, Ralph E. Reed, Jr., Clint Bolick, and David McIntosh, is one of the so-called “Gang of Five” identified in Nina Easton’s 2000 book by that name,[22] which gives a history of leaders of the modern, post-Goldwater conservative movement. Humorist P. J. O’Rourke has described Norquist as “Tom Paine crossed with Lee Atwater plus just a soupçon of Madame Defarge”.[11]
[edit] Influence in state and local politics

Norquist’s national strategy includes recruiting politicians at the state and local levels. Norquist has helped to set up regular meetings for conservatives in many states, meetings modeled after his Wednesday meetings in Washington, with the goal of creating a nationwide network of conservative activists that he can call upon to support conservative causes, such as tax cuts and deregulation. There are now meetings in 48 states.[23]

In 2004, Norquist helped California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger with his plan to privatize the CalPERS system.[24] In Virginia’s 2005 Republican primaries Norquist encouraged the defeat of a number of legislators who voted for higher taxes.[23]
[edit] Views on government
Search Wikiquote Wikiquote has a collection of quotations related to: Grover Norquist

Norquist favors dramatically reducing the size of the government.[11] He has been noted for his widely quoted quip: “I don’t want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.”[25]

He has also stated, “Cutting the government in half in one generation is both an ambitious and reasonable goal. If we work hard we will accomplish this and more by 2025. Then the conservative movement can set a new goal. I have a recommendation: To cut government in half again by 2050”.[26] The Americans for Tax Reform mission statement is “The government’s power to control one’s life derives from its power to tax. We believe that power should be minimized.”[27]

Norquist is the author of the book Leave Us Alone: Getting the Government’s Hands Off Our Money, Our Guns, Our Lives,[28] published on March 11, 2008 by HarperCollins. He has variously served as a monthly “Politics” columnist and contributing editor to The American Spectator.[29]
[edit] Involvement with Jack Abramoff

Norquist and Americans for Tax Reform were mentioned in Senate testimony relating to the lobbying scandal for which Abramoff pled guilty in 2006. Norquist has denied claims that he did anything wrong.[23] Records released by the Senate Indian Affairs Committee allege that ATR served as a “conduit” for funds that flowed from Abramoff’s clients to surreptitiously finance grass-roots lobbying campaigns.[30]
[edit] Personal

Norquist is married to Samah Alrayyes,[31] a Kuwaiti PR specialist who was formerly a director of the Islamic Free Market Institute and specialist at the Bureau of Legislative and Public Affairs at USAID.[32][33] Norquist is said to live a modest lifestyle. According to friend and former roommate John Fund, Norquist’s devotion to conservative causes is “monk-like” and comparable to that of Ralph Nader.[11]

Norquist has competed three times in the comedy fundraiser “Washington’s Funniest Celebrity” and placed second in 2009.

Your comments?


53 posted on 06/16/2010 6:31:15 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 58)
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To: bobby.223

So should we be pissed at Norquist?

Alec “the Bloviator” Baldwin has a new bosom buddy: Beltway Republican strategist Grover Norquist.

The Bush-bashing actor-turned-activist and the Muslim vote-courting political organizer joined together at a Washington, D.C.-area conference last weekend to perpetuate bald lies about the Patriot Act and to oppose the “repressive” War on Terror (repressing terrorist suspects apparently being a bad thing).

Baldwin and Norquist’s panel, titled “Strange Bedfellows,” was sponsored by the ultraliberal group, People for the American Way (PFAW). When PFAW head and panel participant Ralph Neas ranted about the lack of judicial and Congressional oversight of the Justice Department’s terror investigations, the audience applauded passionately. According to National Review Online reporter Byron York, Baldwin (the “moderator”) then turned to Norquist for comment.

“Ditto,” Norquist replied. Never mind the flat-out falsity of Neas’ claim. The smarmy Baldwin looked at his panelists and proudly remarked: “Can’t you feel the love?”

…Norquist’s kissy-kissy partnership with a washed-up Hollywood Clintonite is the least of his unseemly alliances.

Consider: The conference they attended last weekend was hosted by the National Coalition to Protect Political Freedom (NCPPF), which was co-founded in 1997 by Sami Al-Arian — the former University of South Florida professor charged earlier this year as a fund raiser and organizer for the Palestinian Islamic Jihad terrorist group. The money Al-Arian allegedly raised went to terrorist operations overseas that killed at least two Americans. In 2001, Al-Arian’s NCPPF gave Norquist an award for his work to abolish the use of secret intelligence evidence in terrorism cases. Al-Arian was the keynote speaker. Insight investigative reporter Ken Timmerman says Norquist told the magazine he remains “proud” of the award.

Among other major participants and sponsors of the NCPPF conference was the American Muslim Council (AMC). In January, the group accused President Bush of “calling on God to kill innocent Iraqi children.” The next day, the group instructed mosque directors to block FBI counterterrorism efforts. Late last month, AMC founder Abdurahman Alamoudi was charged with illegally accepting money from Libya for his efforts to persuade the United States to lift sanctions against that nation. He also allegedly attempted to smuggle hundreds of thousands of dollars to Syria, which federal officials say was intended for delivery to Damascus-based terrorist groups.

Alamoudi’s arrest is part of a larger Justice Department investigation of terrorism funding focused on Saudi-backed Islamic foundations and businesses based in Herndon, Va. (Alamoudi is also responsible for founding the American Muslim Armed Forces and Veterans Affairs Council to “certify Muslim chaplains hired by the military,” including Capt. James “Youssef” Yee — charged last week with taking classified information home from Guantanamo Bay.) A so-called “moderate,” Alamoudi is on record praising the terrorist group Hezbollah and proclaiming: “We are all followers of Hamas.”

Norquist’s lobbying firm is registered as a lobbyist for Alamoudi. Alamoudi provided seed money for Norquist’s Islamic Institute, which shares space with Norquist’s Americans for Tax Reform group. The institute is run by Alamoudi deputy and former AMC government relations director Khaled Saffuri. Saffuri and Norquist have worked closely with Bush senior adviser Karl Rove to give radical Muslim activists access to the White House. No doubt because of their efforts, Alamoudi was invited to a White House prayer service after the Sept. 11 attacks.

If any Democrat activist had such shady connections, conservatives would be on him like white on rice. Instead, Norquist has gotten away with smearing his critics — most notably, former Reagan official Frank Gaffney of the Center for Security Policy, one of the most decent and patriotic Republicans I’ve had the honor of meeting — as hatemongers.


54 posted on 06/16/2010 6:36:12 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 58)
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To: 23 Everest

The NRA can try to spin it anyway they want but it doesn’t change the fact they sacrificed the First Amendment rights of all Americans by acquiescing to the socialists for the NRA’s own personal gain.


55 posted on 06/17/2010 3:12:03 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: 23 Everest

So they sold out America for promises from the Democrat leadership.

Not what you expect from “America’s oldest Civil Rights organization”.


56 posted on 06/19/2010 10:09:56 AM PDT by donmeaker (Invicto)
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To: donmeaker

The same thing that I counted on them in the past.

2nd Amendment. Without it there is not 1st!

Life Member, Founding Member of the 2nd Amendment Task Force & member of the Golden Eagles.

Friend of Shooter.


57 posted on 06/20/2010 11:22:56 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 62)
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To: 23 Everest

The first amendment. Without it, the second will not last long.


58 posted on 06/24/2010 10:13:16 PM PDT by donmeaker (Invicto)
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To: donmeaker
And without the 2nd the First would not survive!
59 posted on 06/25/2010 7:08:30 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 67)
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To: 23 Everest

I actually agree. Too bad the NRA didn’t agree that they are kind of wholistic.

I will send my money to Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership this year.


60 posted on 06/26/2010 4:33:56 PM PDT by donmeaker (Invicto)
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