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Unexplained data usage with AT&T and the iPhone, many people reporting it!
Various iPhone forums | 06/18/2010 | TMMT

Posted on 06/18/2010 8:47:45 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour

AT&T recently did away with their unlimited data plans. Forcing folks into plans for either 200 MB a month or 2GB a month, with fees if you exceed these caps.

Now Apple, AT&T and IPhone forums are a buzz with many people complaining about unexplained transfers of data occurring between 1AM and 3AM via AT&T's 3G network.

All this data is being billed against your data cap. many people are seeing up to 10MB per night being used and AT&T nor Apple can explain where its going, or why.

iPhone 3GS is sending lots of data on its own!

Unknown data usage early morning


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: ilovebillgates; iwanthim; iwanthimbad; microsoftfanboys
IPhone users check your data usage rates and times on your phone and chime in!
1 posted on 06/18/2010 8:47:45 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour; Swordmaker

PING


2 posted on 06/18/2010 8:48:30 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

skynet has become self-aware


3 posted on 06/18/2010 8:55:52 PM PDT by Sax
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Existing users are grandfathered in to the $30 unlimited plan.


4 posted on 06/18/2010 8:57:14 PM PDT by MrShoop
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To: Sax
skynet has become self-aware

Beat me to it.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

5 posted on 06/18/2010 8:58:56 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

How about phone viruses that you get in RINGTONES, which use the wee hours of the morning to spread themselves to other phones?


6 posted on 06/18/2010 8:59:19 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

All your iPads are belong to us!


7 posted on 06/18/2010 9:04:34 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: The Comedian

yup. it’s amazing the things that wind up on any device once it’s hooked up to a network - things downloaded, uploaded, processes run all without your knowledge. seriously though, seems like you should have to at least acknowledge the usage (per instance or per condition) before your charged for it.


8 posted on 06/18/2010 9:08:28 PM PDT by Sax
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Open the pod bay doors, HAL.

I’m sorry, Dave. I’m afraid I can’t do that.


9 posted on 06/18/2010 9:09:31 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

That’s what happens when you make stuff in China.


10 posted on 06/18/2010 9:13:11 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Proud2BeRight

You are not authorized to shut your computer down.

Please contact your network administrator.


11 posted on 06/18/2010 9:27:10 PM PDT by One Name
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
I think I'm gonna dump the PDA and use my CB.

that would go over too well for business though :-)

seriously, it amazes me people cant see what is going to happen in the near future!

12 posted on 06/18/2010 9:34:27 PM PDT by Battle Hymn of the Republic
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To: Battle Hymn of the Republic
I meant to say that wouldn't go over too well for business.

been a long week!

13 posted on 06/18/2010 9:36:03 PM PDT by Battle Hymn of the Republic
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Hopefully, this won’t effect those of us who were grandfathered in on the unlimited data usage contracts.


14 posted on 06/18/2010 9:38:56 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (30-year smoker, E-Cigs helped me quit, and O wants me back smoking again?)
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To: UCANSEE2
"How about phone viruses that you get in RINGTONES, which use the wee hours of the morning to spread themselves to other phones?"

Apple? virus? Shirley you jest...[/applebot mode]

15 posted on 06/18/2010 9:41:01 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the next one...)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Once again...AT&T is Satan.


16 posted on 06/18/2010 9:43:13 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (Northern flags in South winds flutter...)
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To: Sax
yup. it’s amazing the things that wind up on any device once it’s hooked up to a network - things downloaded, uploaded, processes run all without your knowledge. seriously though, seems like you should have to at least acknowledge the usage (per instance or per condition) before your charged for it.

Oh, but you are just an organic ATM. You don't need to know why, for whom, from where, or how long. You will be notifed of how much.

Yours is not to question why. Yours is but to pay or die.

The good news is, it's only FRNs.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

17 posted on 06/18/2010 9:46:19 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: The Comedian

charge of the light wallet brigade.


18 posted on 06/18/2010 9:52:40 PM PDT by Sax
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To: Sax
charge of the light wallet brigade.

*That* is exceptionally clever.

Knock it off, unless you enjoy the sound of black helicopters hovering silently around your home...


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

19 posted on 06/18/2010 10:04:54 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: Sax
skynet has become self-aware

Subscriber: Dear Skynet, is there a god?

Skynet: There is now!

20 posted on 06/18/2010 10:17:46 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Sax

“charge of the light wallet brigade.”

You are fortunate.

Here in the Sheeples Republic of FloriDUH, we have Governor “Light In His Loafers”, who is busy aiding and abetting Obamas kleptocracy.


21 posted on 06/18/2010 10:28:11 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Iphones send data back to Apple folks, that’s just a fact. 10 MB a night seems excessive, but it definitely sends data back and forth, because you as a developer can see the crash logs if your app crashes on someones iPhone... if you choose to look at em.


22 posted on 06/18/2010 10:29:32 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: GladesGuru

I’m here to! Under the governance of Governor Suntan.


23 posted on 06/18/2010 10:30:04 PM PDT by Sax
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To: GladesGuru

There was some radio station bit somewhere (up north I think) that plays a game called “Germany or Florida” where they read a news bit about idiotic behavior and the caller has to guess if the story is from Germany, or Florida.

We seem to attract all the second chance at life boobs down here.


24 posted on 06/18/2010 10:34:00 PM PDT by Sax
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Well, it seems that this is just an ATT data report left over from their legacy methodology from the old dial up reporting code. While the jury is still out, it is the best theory so far for a couple of very good reasons.

First: ATT continues to play dumb. And while they ARE dumb for trying to restrict data usage and a whole host of other piss poor management decisions, they DO know what is going on here. And number 2 will explain WHY they don’t wanna admit it.

Second: If this is just an aggregate reporting of usage, it means that ATT doesn’t truly KNOW how much data you are using at the time you are using it, and has to ASK your phone for a report. Now, if true, imagine what some jailbreaking coder could do with an app that would change the logs and essentially LIE to ATT when they ask the phone for the report??

If I was ATT using 1990’s tech for accounting, because I didn’t want to write some very new code to make reporting live for millions of data users, I sure as HELL wouldn’t admit it and let the jailbreaking coders get a heads up on finding a way around my anticquaited data reporting model.

This is the only theory that makes sense. Apps don’t phone home, Apple would ban them so fast. There isn’t any secret reporting being done, except by ATT for ATT. They are the only party interested at ALL in your data use. Cause they gotta CHARGE for it.

I’d also be VERY willing to bet that, knowing what I know about old school data dial up reporting, that it GUESSES about usage too. And this would also explain why some users are seeing their midnight reports as close to usage and others are way over.

We saw lots of this way way back on AOL when you had to pay by the minute for dial up. It was a dirty little secret that got known, just about the time that AOL got enough of a customer base to announce their unlimited dial up plans and sweep it under the rug. Old timers will remember or know of what I speak.

So, IMHO, mystery solved. ATT doesn’t have live tracking, is using an old legacy script to run in the middle of the night and just asks your phone “Say, iPhone, just checkin’ but how much data do you think you used today”?

And ATT does NOT want the whole world to know that they DON’T know and are guessing half the time. LOL

But now you do know...

And like someone else said... here come the class action lawsuits... especially once you get billed for the data of incoming iAds.

ATT & Apple is a marriage doomed to divorce and I for one can hardly wait!!


25 posted on 06/18/2010 10:35:55 PM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: RachelFaith

so, as an ignorant question - what happens if you pop your battery out every night before bed and back in the morning - would it phone home immediately in the morning as a queued action, or since it wasn’t online when it was pinged, would it just not report?


26 posted on 06/18/2010 10:40:59 PM PDT by Sax
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To: Sax

It would report as either in the am when you put the battery back in, or at some random time following. Maybe the next 2am, even. And if you took the battery out for days in a row, it would eventually still ASK and TELL sometime. Try it. It’s old school data reporting, but it will ask and keep asking until the phone talks and tells.

But this is WHY ATT isn’t admitting to it. Because they do NOT have any other way to go about it. And if here is the worst part....

The techies at ATT knew ALL about this for years. I am sure they know it’s a guess and a aggregate report. It is how ALL the old dial up ISP’s used to do it, it’s the only way they COULD do it.

But the sales and accounting dept idiots are NOT 1990’s dial up ISP techies... they just saw a way to cut costs and went ahead with this insane 200MB data cap and THIS is when millions of users started to LOOK at their bills.

Stupid ATT cost savings are going to end up costing them MILLIONS more to not only FIX this old code, but deal with the legal costs when millions of users understand that MUCH of their data usage has been guesses all along!

OUCH!


27 posted on 06/18/2010 10:53:43 PM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: Sax
"what happens if you pop your battery out every night before bed and back in the morning - would it phone home immediately in the morning as a queued action, or since it wasn’t online when it was pinged, would it just not report?"

Steve Jobs would dispatch a squad of Midget "Attitude Adjustment" Specialists to your home to deal with your misdeed!

28 posted on 06/18/2010 10:54:33 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the next one...)
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To: RachelFaith

My favorite little bit of cell phone trivia is the fact that the Fed’s can get a warrant to bug your phone - basically, it silently actives to transmit like your talking on it - but you’re completely unaware. I’ve actually read the entire case reports of some instances.

Of course it’s the old, if you’re not doing anything wrong just shut up and mind your own business thing. That’s just why I think if the battery is in it, I’m not in charge of it.


29 posted on 06/18/2010 11:00:10 PM PDT by Sax
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Remove the sim card before you go to bed?


30 posted on 06/18/2010 11:27:14 PM PDT by Munson
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

I’ve checked my data usage and this is NOT happening. I logged onto my AT+T account online and my 3G data usage is lower than I thought it wasl

...and I have a jailbroken phone using illegitimate tethering software.


31 posted on 06/18/2010 11:35:33 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1234; 50mm; Abundy; Action-America; acoulterfan; AFreeBird; Airwinger; Aliska; ...
Is your iPhone transmitting or receiving data unknown to you in the early AM hours? PING!


Apple iPhone Ping!

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.

32 posted on 06/19/2010 12:02:37 AM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Sax

That radio station’s game, “Germany of Florida” could be a real puzzle. The spirit of the late and unlamented Third reich is alive and well in a gooberment agency near any of us.

Oh, let’s not forget nearly all schools, where the spirit of “Agenda Uber Alles” rules.


33 posted on 06/19/2010 4:09:13 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: Swordmaker

Good Lord Swordmaker!

We NEED you! Hang in there...please.

Amadeo


34 posted on 06/19/2010 4:59:30 AM PDT by Amadeo
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Still have the old “unlimited” data plan. I suppose that will stick until I upgrade phones. Yet another reason to not get in a hurry to jump to the iPhone 4 just yet (though I am eligible).

Not sure what would be causing this - though there are many apps that, if you don’t specify otherwise - pull data regularly without you calling on it. First thing I would do is double check my Settings to see what, if anything, is set to receive “push” notifications and data. IN fact, if I were seeing this unexplained data use, I would probably turn off ALL data-using settings for a day or so to see if that cleared it up.

Without more info, I don’t know who I would first point a finger at. A good starting point, though, would be to see who has a financial interest in data being used (motive). That would start my look at AT&T. But until the specific source of the data usage is found - it is hard to say.

Should be interesting to see if this is being caused by user-installed apps, or if something in the subsystem is “calling home” with data...


35 posted on 06/19/2010 5:26:42 AM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Digging into some of the posted message boards - it appears that the data usage is actually AT&T’s old legacy means of calculating data usage.

IT appears that AT&T gather’s data usage info whenever the phone is rebooted, or reconnects to the AT&T network. If none of those things happen during the day, then it automatically re-establishes a connection between 1 and 2 AM to transmit data.

Some users actually experimented by booting phone, downloading an app (noting the size), then rebooting their phone - that showed nearly immediately in their AT&T Data usage report online. The experiment then went on to NOT reboot the phone, keeping it on and then noticed that no further “data usage” showed on AT&T’s page until the 1-2AM time frame came around again.

So this appears to be aggregate data-use calculations happening. For those who go in and out of service areas and/or turn their phone all the way off/or use “airplane mode” form time to time will see the data use reporting more frequently.

My current usage according to AT&T’s “live” reporting for the last several days shows the same 1-2AM chunks of data reported, but there are two usage chunks reflected at more “normal” times - and I actually can put my finger on them - one was a reboot of my phone, the other was when I switched on Airplane Mode...

So this isn’t the nefarious “evil AT&T/Apple” debacle that some would like to make it out to be. It is just aggregate data use reporting (as best as can be determined - the numbers add up for me).

That being said - AT&T’s new data limits (new contracts) is insane. My most recent monthly data usage was well over the 200MB lower plan now offered...


36 posted on 06/19/2010 6:41:28 AM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: Swordmaker

So, upon reading this, I checked my Verizon phone. I don’t have texting or browsing, no data plan, just old school cell usage. I found a file for “data calls” and clicked on it. It seems that Verizon is calling my phone every day between 7 & 8 for 15 seconds.

Verizon knows nothing or so they say about this. I think it’s the ATT thing.


37 posted on 06/19/2010 8:27:05 AM PDT by blu
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To: RandallFlagg
Hopefully, this won’t effect those of us who were grandfathered in on the unlimited data usage contracts.

Only until you upgrade your phone then blamo.

38 posted on 06/19/2010 8:32:58 AM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: Sax
what happens if you pop your battery out every night before bed and back in the morning

You would have another phone, not an iPhone.

39 posted on 06/19/2010 8:41:12 AM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: itsahoot

WRONG!

No Blammo.

If you have the unlimited you can keep it, especially when getting a new phone.

http://forums.wireless.att.com/t5/Apple/Can-I-still-be-grandfathered-in-the-unlimited-data-plan/td-p/1945177/page/2


40 posted on 06/19/2010 8:44:58 AM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: The Comedian
Knock it off, unless you enjoy the sound of black helicopters hovering silently around your home...

There's something seriously wrong with that sentence, but I can't quite put my ear on it.

;-)

41 posted on 06/19/2010 8:45:46 AM PDT by savedbygrace (Rev 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord)
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To: RachelFaith

Thanks, but they sure told me otherwise. Hope they don’t change their mind again, I have had the iPhone since the first day, and sure plan on getting the new one, but I am not about to camp out in front of a store, like the moron in Dallas.


42 posted on 06/19/2010 9:09:13 AM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: itsahoot

I talked to a guy at the AT&T shop about that, and he said that even if you upgrade, you keep your plan.


43 posted on 06/19/2010 9:14:27 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (30-year smoker, E-Cigs helped me quit, and O wants me back smoking again?)
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To: savedbygrace
There's something seriously wrong with that sentence, but I can't quite put my ear on it.

Quiet! I smell something...


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

44 posted on 06/19/2010 9:43:39 AM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: The Comedian

We’ve been meaning to talk to you about that.


45 posted on 06/19/2010 9:47:19 AM PDT by savedbygrace (Rev 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord)
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To: itsahoot

I am going to wait for the WHITE iPhone.


46 posted on 06/19/2010 11:25:31 AM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: Ken H

The consciousness of AC encompassed all of what had once been a Universe and brooded over what was now Chaos. Step by step, it must be done.

And AC said, “LET THERE BE LIGHT!”

And there was light——


47 posted on 06/21/2010 6:00:47 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: blu
So, upon reading this, I checked my Verizon phone. I don’t have texting or browsing, no data plan, just old school cell usage. I found a file for “data calls” and clicked on it. It seems that Verizon is calling my phone every day between 7 & 8 for 15 seconds.

I get those, too... However, since it comes from Verizon, we don't lose minutes, and it doesn't use data bandwidth. I'd be rather upset if my carrier was using up a big chunk - or, in the case of the guy with the 10 MB per day, if he had a 200 MB plan) all - of my data allowance.

48 posted on 06/22/2010 7:20:18 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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