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Vattel and the Founders meaning of the term Naturels (Natural Born)
Journals of the Continental Congress 1781 ^ | 1781 | The Founders

Posted on 06/22/2010 3:40:28 PM PDT by bushpilot1

In the Journals of the Continental Congress there is a translation of the French word naturels to natural born. Meaning the Founders understood Vattel's naturels to mean natural born.

The document and its translation by the Founders must have been overlooked over the years by the courts, congress and the news media.

In French.

ARTICLE III Les consuls et vice consuls respectifs ne pourront être pris que parmi les sujets naturels de la puissance qui les nommera.

The Founders Translation.

The respective Consuls and Vice Consuls shall only be taken from among the natural born subjects of the power nominating them.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; naturalborncitizen
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Did the Founders translate naturels to natural born?


61 posted on 06/22/2010 5:57:48 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: Jeff Head

Awesome!!!!!!!

Good to See you!!!!!

I trust and hope you are doing well!!!


62 posted on 06/22/2010 5:59:38 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: Las Vegas Ron; Jeff Head

the best video on you tube is Hitler looking for Jim Thompson


63 posted on 06/22/2010 6:02:00 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1

BINGO!

I myself have posted this, as have others in the past. What gives me SUCH great hope is that you and I am sure others like you are FINDING THE INFORMATION FOR THEMSELVES!!!!!

The truth has been right in front of us, the COLB is a smoke screen and keps people distracted by the idea that because he was allegedly ‘born in Hawaii’ that he is a Natural Born Citizen. He isn’t. From the instant the cretin was CONCEIVED he could NEVER have been a Natural Born Citizen. He could have been born in Jack Kennedy’s favorite chair in the residence of the White House and it would have made no difference.

The Cretin was born British and American, by definition he is of DIVIDED ALLEGIANCES! He should be TRIED FOR TREASON! He should be arrested by Federal Marshal’s and imprisoned. His family should be removed in shame from the White House IMMEDIATELY.

OUR CONSTITUTION DEMANDS ACTION! OUR CONSTITUTION DEMANDS OBAMA BE REMOVED IMMEDIATELY!

We do NOT have a constitutional government at this time, and NO federal law can be enforced as long as the head of the government is an USURPER! The Military does not have a legal CIC!!!! This is a CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER TO THE UNITED STATES!

/rant

I have been saying this all along, and I am not gonna shut up about it until something is done to alleviate the situation!

Bravo to you sir! God bless you for doing the research and proving it for yourself! Please encourage others to do so as well!


64 posted on 06/22/2010 6:06:05 PM PDT by Danae (If Liberals were only moderately insane, they would be tollerable. Alas, such is not the case.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Birth upon the soil confers CITIZENSHIP ~ Not Natural Born Citizenship status. There is a distinct difference between the two, and historical documents prove it. Including Wong Kim Ark (SCOTUS case), where, in the decision itself, makes the distinction between the two.


65 posted on 06/22/2010 6:08:59 PM PDT by Danae (If Liberals were only moderately insane, they would be tollerable. Alas, such is not the case.)
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To: Jeff Head

Boy is it good to see one of your posts again!

I sure hope you are feeling better and recovering! You are in my prayers!


66 posted on 06/22/2010 6:10:08 PM PDT by Danae (If Liberals were only moderately insane, they would be tollerable. Alas, such is not the case.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Even if they think they are; they are infected.


67 posted on 06/22/2010 6:10:19 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Mr Rogers
Why do you defend bammie?

Why do you come here and desecrate our Country and it's Constitution for a lying POS commie SOB that is in front of your, and our, eyes....and that is is destroying our very way of life? AND YOU DEFEND HIM?????

You, must really tell us all, WHY?

68 posted on 06/22/2010 6:10:34 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: little jeremiah

Yes because it’s a very liberal view. Shared, I might add, by I’manutjob in Iran.


69 posted on 06/22/2010 6:12:14 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

rogers and jamese777 are trolls from obamaconspiracy.com


70 posted on 06/22/2010 6:12:57 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: Las Vegas Ron; Mr Rogers

I have asked that. I wasted my time doing it too.


71 posted on 06/22/2010 6:13:51 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: bushpilot1; Las Vegas Ron
rogers and jamese777 are trolls from obamaconspiracy.com

That explains why they get it wrong. Everytime.

72 posted on 06/22/2010 6:15:37 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

“Using only the U.S. Constitution, the U.S. Code, Supreme Court decisions, or treaties, please show me how I’m wrong.”

I don’t have to show you anything. You are wrong. Live with it.


73 posted on 06/22/2010 6:15:56 PM PDT by Lower55
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

So tell me, do you know what a Blackberry is?

Of course you do, we all do. So much so we don’t even have to define it when we speak of it. Oh... but which one am I speaking of??? ... yea EXACTLY.

200 years from now, do you think that someone reading this very post will know what I meant by “Blackberry”? If you answer yes, then you have just shot your argument in the foot. If you say no, then at least you are honest in recognizing that the terminology of a given time period can be lost in history.

The term “Natural Born Citizen” was COMMON in the 1700’s. Why you ask? Because there were wars going on all over the place, with sailors and fighting men widely dispersed. Nations HAD to know the citizenship status of a given individual so as to ascertain whether or not they had RIGHT to claim the benefits that Nation had to offer!

These details MATTERED to Nations in far more specific detail at a finer grained level than they do today. Shoot, being a bastard of a french woman in Britain in 1725 with no known father would be French, but if Dad showed up, and he was say German, then that child would be german. Which Nation was beholden to that poor bastard? British? German? French?

THAT is why the term “Natural Born Citizen” mattered. It meant your parents were BOTH citizens AND you were born on that soil. That child would have certainty of citizenship that can be guaranteed in no other way. It MATTERED then. It STILL does today, and Obama’s usurpation of the White House is PROOF.


74 posted on 06/22/2010 6:19:27 PM PDT by Danae (If Liberals were only moderately insane, they would be tollerable. Alas, such is not the case.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
The law is crystal clear. And unlike the accusation put forward, this question has been raised before and in each case has been consistent.

If you are born in the United States, and you are subject to the laws of the United States, you ARE a natural born citizen.

ROFLMAO to begin with this crystal clear allegation of yours, what does subject to the laws of the United States mean (to you)

75 posted on 06/22/2010 6:22:31 PM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: little jeremiah

Thanks! Several weeks of very painful rehab to go yet...but we’re getting there, thank God in Heaven and so many who have prayed for and encouraged us.


76 posted on 06/22/2010 6:23:18 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Danae
{;^)
77 posted on 06/22/2010 6:24:36 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Thank you. Several weeks of painful rehab to go yet but we are getting there. All thanks and praise to God in Heaven and all of those who exercised their faith and prayers, encouragement and help on our behalf.


78 posted on 06/22/2010 6:26:18 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head
All thanks and praise to God in Heaven

Amen FRiend!

79 posted on 06/22/2010 6:28:09 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: Danae

Thank you. Several weeks of painful rehab to go yet but we are getting there. All thanks and praise to God in Heaven and all of those who exercised their faith and prayers, encouragement and help on our behalf.


80 posted on 06/22/2010 6:28:43 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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