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To: bushpilot1

The works of Vattel are not the supreme law of the land. The Constitution is very specific what the supreme law of the land is:

The Constitution itself.
All law made under the Constitution.
Treaties confirmed by the Senate.

Under the laws of the the land, Obama is a citizen at birth, otherwise known as a natural born citizen. The argument you make from a French translation of a Latin language political philosophy exercise is worse than weak.

But I guess facts don’t matter to people who just want their point of view to be reality.


5 posted on 06/22/2010 4:27:18 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

“Under the laws of the the land, Obama is a citizen at birth, otherwise known as a natural born citizen.”

So, according to you, any “citizen” is a “natural born citizen?” If this is the case, then why did the founding fathers bother to even put “natural born citizen” and not just put “citizen” in the constitution?

Just because you don’t like the obvious meaning of the words and refuse to listen to the words and explanations of those who drafted the laws on how and what the laws meant, does not make it so! The drafter of the the 14th Amendment stated that this amendment would exclude those who are not citizens, illegals and diplomats!

The application of the amendment in the manner which you and so many other dimwitted fools want it to be is the problem, NOT the wording!


10 posted on 06/22/2010 4:43:05 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (Hey Congress: Go Conservative or Go Home!)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
Under the laws of the the land, Obama is a citizen at birth, otherwise known as a natural born citizen.


Wrong. The 14th Amendment was naturalization at birth. I'll even cite the case where they have an erroneous holding Ankeny v. Indiana BUT where the Indiana Appeals Court admitted that the 14th Amendment was about naturalization, which did and does NOT make people or former slaves natural born citizens.

From the infamous Note 14 of Ankeny, Kruse v. Indiana:


-snip-

For all but forty-four people in our nation‟s history (the forty-four Presidents), the dichotomy between who is a natural born citizen and who is a naturalized citizen under the Fourteenth Amendment is irrelevant.

-end snip-

I could cite you where the Supreme Court also says who are 14th Amendment citizens at birth - and are not natural born citizens. Obama is not a natural born citizen any way you look at it.

28 posted on 06/22/2010 5:05:27 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius; bushpilot1

If you had read the many research threads on this topic, you would not post such ill-informed opions. That is, if your mind is open to knowing what the founders meant by Natural Born Citizen; a qualification that only the President (and obviously VP) need to have; unlike all other political positions.

bushpilot1 and many others have done incredible detective work; you should look into it.


33 posted on 06/22/2010 5:12:32 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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