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12% See Secession Attempt as Very Likely in Next 25 Years Or So
Rasmussen Reports ^ | 22 June 2010 | Rasmussen Reports

Posted on 06/25/2010 1:17:00 PM PDT by LTCJ

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 28% of Adults believe it is at least somewhat likely that some states will try to leave the United States and form an independent country over the next 25 years or so.

(Excerpt) Read more at rasmussenreports.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: divorce; liberty; secession; separation
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"Seventy percent (70%) or more of voters have been angry about the policies of the federal government for months now ..."

From earlier in the week. A search on titles came back with no hits.

1 posted on 06/25/2010 1:17:07 PM PDT by LTCJ
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To: LTCJ

25 years? I wonder which of the 57 states will be first?


2 posted on 06/25/2010 1:19:48 PM PDT by softwarecreator (I want my greenshoots!)
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To: LTCJ

Only 12? Guess I’m in the minority.

Of course, I don’t think it’ll take 25 years. (see tag)


3 posted on 06/25/2010 1:19:56 PM PDT by TheZMan (Just secede and get it over with. No love lost on either side. Cya.)
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To: TheZMan
..... (see tag)

I like the way you think sir!

4 posted on 06/25/2010 1:21:21 PM PDT by softwarecreator (I want my greenshoots!)
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To: LTCJ

Sign me up!!


5 posted on 06/25/2010 1:21:32 PM PDT by Pessimist
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To: LTCJ

Secession??? And when the Russians, Mexicans...etc. (whoever) step over your ‘border’ and start their monkeyshines... who you gonna call?


6 posted on 06/25/2010 1:22:03 PM PDT by SMARTY ("What luck for rulers that men do not think." Adolph Hitler)
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To: TheZMan

“Of course, I don’t think it’ll take 25 years. (see tag)”

You ain’t just whistling Dixie, FRiend....


7 posted on 06/25/2010 1:22:48 PM PDT by jessduntno ( "The planet has a fever, and it's in Al Gore's pants." - Howie Carr)
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To: softwarecreator

Well, all seven since Hawaii would be a good guess.

Nevermind that, how about the other fifty file for separation and leave Obama in charge of the other seven.


8 posted on 06/25/2010 1:23:28 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (06/15/2010 Obama's Shame-Wow address...)
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Wasn’t there a Russian professor who has done work on how the USA is almost assured to become “balkanized” in the future due to the differences that would become more clear as the US falls economically?


9 posted on 06/25/2010 1:24:05 PM PDT by Crimson Elephant
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To: SMARTY

How long do you think it would take Texas to form its own military? A large number of the current armed forces are from here, not to mention the guard, and patriots across the state that would join up to protect it.


10 posted on 06/25/2010 1:24:17 PM PDT by TheZMan (Just secede and get it over with. No love lost on either side. Cya.)
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To: SMARTY
step over your ‘border’ and start their monkeyshines... who you gonna call?

These guys?


11 posted on 06/25/2010 1:24:32 PM PDT by softwarecreator (I want my greenshoots!)
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To: LTCJ
Unless the electorate gets educated and motivated in miraculous fashion then it will be too late in less than 10 years.
12 posted on 06/25/2010 1:24:49 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: LTCJ

Form up and just do it, don’t wait. Let these g—damned socialists/progressives/communists go their own way. Refine the Constitution, get rid of the “general welfare” clause; but, the Constitution works and should be kept as the standard. Eliminate these “living document” advocates. There’s got to be a set of standards and the Constitution is that set.


13 posted on 06/25/2010 1:24:58 PM PDT by izzatzo
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To: LTCJ

well, that’s depressing. I was kind of hoping for something like 70% thinking it will happen in the next 2 years, and 80% willing to let us go...

I very much need a divorce...


14 posted on 06/25/2010 1:25:37 PM PDT by rigelkentaurus
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To: TheZMan

They didn’t call me! Add me to the count...


15 posted on 06/25/2010 1:26:09 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: TheZMan

I am not sure it will take 25 months.


16 posted on 06/25/2010 1:27:04 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: LTCJ
I'm thinking there will be 50% chance an attempt within the next few months. They won't call it secession, too many old wounds there. Whatever they call it will be some new focus group tested catch phrase. Perhaps something like Enhanced State Autonomy Bill or Constitutional Delineation of Powers Act. The Tell the Feds to Pound Sand Act of 2011 would be appropriate, but I don't think it will get past the marketing types.

My bet will be it will take place if the Obama declares amnesty or a gun grab by executive order. One or more states will simply not acknowledge what is a blatantly unconstitutional act and refused to allow the ATF or FBI enforce the executive order.
17 posted on 06/25/2010 1:27:52 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: TheZMan

I’m retirement age and live in Texas. If we could leave, I would be willing to sign-up, if they would take me.


18 posted on 06/25/2010 1:27:52 PM PDT by rigelkentaurus
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To: TheZMan
not to mention the guard, and patriots across the state that would join up to protect it. Not to mention others currently living in occupied lands in the USA too...
19 posted on 06/25/2010 1:28:11 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: LTCJ

Well, they didn’t survey me...been a member of a secessionist organization for about 15 years now...


20 posted on 06/25/2010 1:28:58 PM PDT by Ammo Republic 15
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To: LTCJ

Most Americans don’t even know what “Secession” means, much less have the ability to pass an opinion on the possibility. These polls are ridiculous. They’re way above the heads of a majority of Americans.


21 posted on 06/25/2010 1:29:33 PM PDT by albie
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To: SMARTY
"who you gonna call?"

The first step for a state that wants to secede is to kick the National Guard out of their state, and replace it with a true state militia.

I guess the states were too cheap to fund their own militias so they passed their responsibilities onto the feds.

Now any time the feds want to start a war anywhere and run out of armed forces personnel they can start drawing from the National Guard.

But if a state had its own militia it could tell the feds to pound sand. Their militia would be too busy guarding their borders, supporting local authorities in times of extreme duress (e.g. hurricanes, forest fires, etc.) and protecting the citizens of the state.

As long as the National Guard continues to do the job that state militias were meant to do, there is no hope/fear of secession.

22 posted on 06/25/2010 1:29:52 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (These fragments I have shored against my ruins)
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To: Pessimist

ME TOO! I’ll drive the BUS!!

OFF to ARIZONA!!


23 posted on 06/25/2010 1:29:52 PM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: Pessimist

ME TOO! I’ll drive the BUS!!

OFF to ARIZONA!!


24 posted on 06/25/2010 1:30:01 PM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: LTCJ

sounds like they’re getting a bellyful of “Hope and Change”.


25 posted on 06/25/2010 1:30:18 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: LTCJ

25 years from now there won’t be anything from which to secede.


26 posted on 06/25/2010 1:31:31 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: LTCJ
I'm staying and hope you are too. Stay and kick ass. If it takes guns,guts,etc. than that is what will be used. Hopefully it can be done peacefully by removing that cancer we call congress and start over with new blood. The Founding Fathers gave us a map, all we have to do is read it.
27 posted on 06/25/2010 1:31:47 PM PDT by fish hawk (Hussein Obama: Golf/Gulf, not very good at either.)
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To: April Lexington

Haha, nice.


28 posted on 06/25/2010 1:32:09 PM PDT by TheZMan (Just secede and get it over with. No love lost on either side. Cya.)
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To: SMARTY

Secession??? And when the Russians, Mexicans...etc. (whoever) step over your ‘border’ and start their monkeyshines... who you gonna call?


They would be no worse than the Domestic Enemy Bastards.


29 posted on 06/25/2010 1:32:26 PM PDT by unkus
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To: SMARTY

Look at an historical example of a secession. When the Soviet Union broke up, did Russia get to keep all the tanks and warships?

Answer: no. For instance, the Ukraine came away from that divorce with quite a stash of military hardware, including a fleet.

In the same way, look for a bunch of US states to secede at once, like a huge ice shelf breaking away. At least one of those states will have either nukes or military assets. And at least one of them will be Arizona.


30 posted on 06/25/2010 1:32:47 PM PDT by agere_contra (Obama did more damage to the Gulf economy in one day than Pemex/Ixtoc did in nine months)
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To: TheZMan
A large number of the current armed forces are from here, not to mention the guard, and patriots across the state that would join up to protect it.

Don't forget the Aggie Corps!

31 posted on 06/25/2010 1:33:10 PM PDT by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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To: Crimson Elephant

“Wasn’t there a Russian professor ...”

Never trust a Russian.


32 posted on 06/25/2010 1:33:17 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: softwarecreator

ARIZONA....This Year!! Talks will begin shortly. Mark my words. They will tell Obama stick it where the sun don’t shine!


33 posted on 06/25/2010 1:33:19 PM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: albie

Most Americans don’t even know what “Secession” means, much less have the ability to pass an opinion on the possibility. These polls are ridiculous. They’re way above the heads of a majority of Americans.


Right you are. And those fools should be excluded. Let them stay and wallow in the pig crap they are comfortable with.


34 posted on 06/25/2010 1:35:16 PM PDT by unkus
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To: LTCJ

What you will see is a splitting up of single states. Mostly by “Latinos”. California, Arizona, Texas and Florida.


35 posted on 06/25/2010 1:36:55 PM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2013)
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To: chicagolady
ARIZONA....This Year!!

My guess too.  Followed closely by Texas, South Carolina, and Oklahoma.

36 posted on 06/25/2010 1:37:58 PM PDT by softwarecreator (I want my greenshoots!)
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To: LTCJ; All
To add to the discussion in this article, this fascinating FR thread on the subject of a political divorce among the states (a virtual secession) is well worth visiting or revisiting and reading through all the comments:

Does U.S. Need to Split Along Political Lines?

37 posted on 06/25/2010 1:39:40 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Obama: "I will gladly pay you on Tuesday for a hamburger today.")
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To: B-Chan
25 years from now there won’t be anything from which to secede.

We could take over Meheeeco, there won't be anyone left there to fight, they'll all be here.

38 posted on 06/25/2010 1:41:25 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: TheZMan
12% said "very likely" but I think the 'money quote' is that almost 1/3 of the adult population think it's somewhat likely.

About one third, coincidentally, supported the first independence movement according to most estimates. The more things change ...

39 posted on 06/25/2010 1:42:18 PM PDT by LTCJ (The Constitution; first, last, always.)
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To: GonzoGOP

I’m thinking there will be 50% chance an attempt within the next few months. They won’t call it secession, too many old wounds there.”

Precisely the reason to cal it Secession - let’s get used to calling a spade a hoe...


40 posted on 06/25/2010 1:42:47 PM PDT by jessduntno ( "The planet has a fever, and it's in Al Gore's pants." - Howie Carr)
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To: softwarecreator

When they secede, they should call themselves “The Free Republic”


41 posted on 06/25/2010 1:43:27 PM PDT by agere_contra (Obama did more damage to the Gulf economy in one day than Pemex/Ixtoc did in nine months)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Not even Anna?

http://www.kournikova.com/


42 posted on 06/25/2010 1:44:58 PM PDT by Crimson Elephant
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To: softwarecreator
The way the bamster is pissing off the folks in Louisiana, you might add them to the list also.
43 posted on 06/25/2010 1:45:20 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: agere_contra
they should call themselves “The Free Republic”

President Jim Robinson ... it has a nice ring, huh?

44 posted on 06/25/2010 1:46:58 PM PDT by softwarecreator (I want my greenshoots!)
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To: TheZMan
How long do you think it would take Texas to form its own military? A large number of the current armed forces are from here, not to mention the guard, and patriots across the state that would join up to protect it.

When Texas makes the move, they will have Texans such as myself flooding back into the state to join the Texas Armed Services and the Feds, no matter how tough they talk, are smart enough not to take on such a battle.

45 posted on 06/25/2010 1:47:19 PM PDT by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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To: softwarecreator

GMTA

:-)


46 posted on 06/25/2010 1:47:19 PM PDT by Canedawg (...still not digging this tyranny thing.)
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To: agere_contra
In the same way, look for a bunch of US states to secede at once, like a huge ice shelf breaking away. At least one of those states will have either nukes or military assets. And at least one of them will be Arizona.

Watch Montana. They have an Independent spirit, a border with a friendly country so they can't be starved out, and LGM-30s. If even a few of those get into the hands of the rebels then you have an instant foreign recognition of independence. If NK with a few obsolete bombs and no decent delivery system can blackmail the world, Montana with a hundred 1.5 megaton nukes that they can have anyplace in the world in 30 minutes or less or your money back will make the UN $#!T bricks.
47 posted on 06/25/2010 1:48:10 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: LTCJ
About one third, coincidentally, supported the first independence movement according to most estimates. The more things change ...

I suspect no more than 1/3 of Southerners supported the slaveowners' rebellion in 1861, that 1/3 consisting largely of the plantation elite, the gullible, the perpetually ignorant and the ultra-provincial who thought Yankees were of a different nation.

48 posted on 06/25/2010 1:48:48 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: izzatzo

We don’t need to break up the union. We need to revitalize a robust operation of the Tenth Amendment, with the federal government actually being limited to its enumerated powers and with the entire house of cards of wealth transfer payments at the federal level mostly ground to a halt.

Then if a state wanted to be socialist, it could knock itself out doing so — with this CRITICAL difference from today: each state would have to finance its social programs with money that state raises, however it can do that. No other state would be required to pay its citizens’ money into a big federal pot so it could be sent to pay for the socialist states’ programs.

If the Tenth Amendment worked the way it was supposed to (if it hadn’t been gutted by Progs over the years), the federal government never would have been able to establish the large number of oppressive wealth transfer programs that exist now. We would remain the United States of America, with the proper federal functions of the military for national defense and so on, but states certainly could choose to tend toward Statist or Free — they’d just have to do so with their own money, based on what income they could earn and on their citizens were willing and able to pay for.

At #37, I posted a link to a fascinating FR thread on these ideas.

Oh, and to do a virtual secessiont there would have to be a drastic revision to the federal income tax.


49 posted on 06/25/2010 1:51:04 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Obama: "I will gladly pay you on Tuesday for a hamburger today.")
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To: agere_contra

Arizona has Luke AFB. There should be lotsa missiles there.

And, may I nominate Sheriff Joe for President!


50 posted on 06/25/2010 1:51:44 PM PDT by Ex-Democrat Dean
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