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No Sex Please, We’re Middle Class
The New York Times ^ | June 25, 2010 | CAMILLE PAGLIA

Posted on 06/27/2010 9:33:24 AM PDT by buccaneer81

No Sex Please, We’re Middle Class By CAMILLE PAGLIA Published: June 25, 2010

WILL women soon have a Viagra of their own? Although a Food and Drug Administration advisory panel recently rejected an application to market the drug flibanserin in the United States for women with low libido, it endorsed the potential benefits and urged further research. Several pharmaceutical companies are reported to be well along in the search for such a drug.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: feminization; genderwars; paglia; seuality
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To: DManA

Does the Phrase ,”I have a head ache”, Sound familiar?


41 posted on 06/27/2010 11:15:01 AM PDT by Little Bill (Harry Browne is a poofter)
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To: nmh
It will be another hollow experience emotionally and only satisfy the PHYSICAL aspect of sex.

Yeah, so? You gotta problem with that?

42 posted on 06/27/2010 11:21:52 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: thesharkboy

Ask your mom.


43 posted on 06/27/2010 11:41:37 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: usconservative
It will be another hollow experience emotionally and only satisfy the PHYSICAL aspect of sex.

“Yeah, so? You gotta problem with that? “

I suppose I am spoiled.

My spouse is fabulous!

I would NEVER be satisfied with just the physical aspect of sex. It is the EMOTIONAL aspect of sex, that makes it “out of this world”. So personally speaking, not having the EMOTIONAL aspect of sex, would be too mechanical for me - I'm spoiled ... I have the best of BOTH WORLDS - PHYSICAL and EMOTIONAL!

44 posted on 06/27/2010 11:42:51 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: buccaneer81
Several pharmaceutical companies are reported to be well along in the search for such a drug.

Let me know when they get it perfected - that is odorless, colorless, tasteless, and readily soluble in liquids. Some side effects are permitted (like short-term memory loss).

45 posted on 06/27/2010 11:43:14 AM PDT by ZOOKER ( Exploring the fine line between cynicism and outright depression)
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To: Little Bill; DManA
"Women want only the number of kids that they can bring to successful adulthood. When times get tight or more expensive fewer kids get born."

What you're saying seems to be reasonable assumption on both the "common sense" and "intuitive" level, except for one thing; it's not true.

Historically, it's when incomes go UP, food-per-person goes UP, availability of post-secondary education goes UP, that birthrates plunge and childbearing bottoms out. Odd, I know.

Take a look at this: New York City's borough of Manhattan is the richest county in the United States. In particular, ZIP code 10021 on Manhattan's Upper East Side, with over 100,000 inhabitants and a per capita income of over $90,000, has one of the largest concentrations of extreme wealth in the United States. But fertility is far lower in Manhattan (1.3) than in Mexico City (2.22) and lower in Mexico City than in Iraq (4.1).

If you look at a chart showing world fertility rates (link) you find the opposite of what you would predict: the richer the country gets, the lower the fertility rate drops. Fertility is been dropping all over the world since 1970 or so, just as literacy and education become universal and over-all nutritional sufficiency is attained (with the main nutrition-related problems being obesity and diabetes.)

So in fact, when people get wealthy and well-fed, far fewer kids get born.

And the bottom 30 nations on this chart probably won't even exist as independent ethnic entities 60 years from now.

They'll be taken over by more-fertile immigration and invasion.

46 posted on 06/27/2010 12:10:48 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Justice and judgment are the foundation of His throne." Psalm 89:14)
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To: Little Bill; DManA
"Women want only the number of kids that they can bring to successful adulthood. When times get tight or more expensive fewer kids get born."

What you're saying seems to be reasonable assumption on both the "common sense" and "intuitive" level, except for one thing; it's not true.

Historically, it's when incomes go UP, food-per-person goes UP, availability of post-secondary education goes UP, that birthrates plunge and childbearing bottoms out. Odd, I know.

Take a look at this: New York City's borough of Manhattan is the richest county in the United States. In particular, ZIP code 10021 on Manhattan's Upper East Side, with over 100,000 inhabitants and a per capita income of over $90,000, has one of the largest concentrations of extreme wealth in the United States. But fertility is far lower in Manhattan (1.3) than in Mexico City (2.22) and lower in Mexico City than in Iraq (4.1).

If you look at a chart showing world fertility rates (link) you find the opposite of what you would predict: the richer the country gets, the lower the fertility rate drops. Fertility is been dropping all over the world since 1970 or so, just as literacy and education become universal and over-all nutritional sufficiency is attained (with the main nutrition-related problems being obesity and diabetes.)

So in fact, when people get wealthy and well-fed, far fewer kids get born.

And the bottom 30 nations on this chart probably won't even exist as independent ethnic entities 60 years from now.

They'll be taken over by more-fertile immigration and invasion.

47 posted on 06/27/2010 12:11:02 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Justice and judgment are the foundation of His throne." Psalm 89:14)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
That is a Straw Man argument. People in subsistence agrecultural societies have a lot of kids to support their life style. Women on the upper East Side of Manhattan don't want to because it might ruin their figures.

As you pointed out as the COST of living goes up the kids go down, why? In Europe people cannot afford to have kids, getting the same way here.

48 posted on 06/27/2010 12:29:17 PM PDT by Little Bill (Harry Browne is a poofter)
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To: buccaneer81

I’ve found that alcohol works best.


49 posted on 06/27/2010 12:39:23 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: Little Bill
Women want only the number of kids that they can bring to successful adulthood. When times get tight or more expensive fewer kids get born.

Alot of that depends on the particular woman's definition of "successful", which may explain the varying birth rates between upper middle class and underclass women.

50 posted on 06/27/2010 12:42:21 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: PapaBear3625
The check is in the Mail syndrome comes in to play. If there is no penalty for aberrant behavior what discourages it?

What is Class, are we not all citizens?

51 posted on 06/27/2010 12:52:14 PM PDT by Little Bill (Harry Browne is a poofter)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Yes but the subject isn’t fertility, it’s is libido, sex drive.


52 posted on 06/27/2010 1:12:51 PM PDT by DManA
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To: SoftballMominVA
I love my man in a pair of snug fitting Wrangler Jeans and a skin tight T Shirt.

Add a "w" and an "o" to that sentence, and I can totally agree with you.

53 posted on 06/27/2010 1:16:51 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Obi-Wan Palin: Strike her down and she shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.)
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To: Aria
if a woman doesn’t want babies they are going to stop wanting sex.
I'm here to tell you that's ain't true!

Hmmmmm..... And where, exactly, is "here"?

54 posted on 06/27/2010 1:18:46 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Obi-Wan Palin: Strike her down and she shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.)
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To: DManA

Good point, but I wasn’t responding to Paglia’s article, I was responding to Little Bill.


55 posted on 06/27/2010 1:19:04 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("God bless the child who's got his own." Arthur Herzog Jr./Billie Holiday)
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To: Little Bill
"As you pointed out as the COST of living goes up the kids go down."

But I didn't say that. I said that as prosperity goes up, kids go down.

People had a lot less disposable income in 1960 than they have now, but 50 years ago they had a lot more kids. U.S. fertility rate 1959 was almost 4, now just a whisker over 2.

My paternal great-grandparents --- not peasants: urban, working class --- (he an iron foundry coremaker, she a fulltime homemaker) had 11 kids. Paternal grandparents, a cut above that economically, had 5. My parents had 2. My husband and I have 2. 11 - 5 - 2 - 2 is a pretty typical 4-generation decline in this country.

"Why? In Europe people cannot afford to have kids, getting the same way here."

"Cannot afford"? Compared to what? Compared to when? Cannot afford it compared to their parents in the 80's, their grandparents in the rubble of WWII? Their great-grandparents in the 30's? But their great-grandparents had more kids than they do.

56 posted on 06/27/2010 1:42:45 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("God bless the child who's got his own." Arthur Herzog Jr./Billie Holiday)
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To: Tanniker Smith

LOL

probably far...


57 posted on 06/27/2010 2:26:49 PM PDT by Aria ( "The US republic will endure until Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the people's $.")
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To: Aria

Well, you’ve been to my state, so I have a 1 in 23 chance!


58 posted on 06/27/2010 2:40:24 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Obi-Wan Palin: Strike her down and she shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Apples to apples, 1900 Fathers side, My Grandfather, Second youngest of 12, living. My Grandmother second youngest of 20, Living. My Mothers side, Grandfather, 13th of 14TH living, Grandmother 13th of 13th living, farmers and fishermen.

Living means that they had kids, the cost of living has gone up and a good portion of my cousins only have 2-4 kids now.

59 posted on 06/27/2010 2:48:07 PM PDT by Little Bill (Harry Browne is a poofter)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

You responded to me too.


60 posted on 06/27/2010 3:05:17 PM PDT by DManA
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