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The Southern Border Could Get Much Worse
American Thinker ^ | July 1, 2010 | Robert Eugene Simmons Jr

Posted on 07/01/2010 8:54:27 AM PDT by NCjim

The southern border of the USA is no longer something that we can ignore or use as a political tool. Successive presidents have failed to control this border for one reason or another, but the escalation of drug cartel violence on the southern side of the border is making the issue of illegal immigration almost an afterthought. It seems that if something doesn't change, we could be looking at an all-out war with Mexican drug cartels.

Police Chief Jeff Kirkham of the border town Nogales, Arizona, told Tucson Channel 9 (ABC) news that he has received threats that the Mexican drug cartels will start using snipers to target on- and off-duty police officers from across the border.

Given the fact that Nogales sits right on the border with the town of Heroica Nogales on the other side, the threat is entirely credible and feasible. Heroica Nogales would provide ample places to hide within sniper range of many parts of Nogales. With an effective range of over one mile, modern rifles could easily target U.S. citizens and police in an eerie echo of the siege of Sarajevo in the Bosnian war.

If snipers start setting up shop in Heroica Nogales, we certainly won't be able to count on the Mexican military to take care of the problem. The cartels clearly don't fear the Mexican military, given the enormous intimidation and bribery that they are able to bring to the table. Leaked stories of massive Mexican military corruption and intimidation are commonplace in the border regions.

Given that the Mexican military would be of dubious worth, what options are left for the Obama administration to deal with the problem? Would Obama fire predator missiles into Mexico from drones to take out snipers, or would the risk of a real military conflict with the regular Mexican army and civilian casualties make that option out of the question? Would counter-snipers be employed to take out drug cartel snipers? Given Obama's reluctance to deploy anything more than logistic personnel from the National Guard to the border, the answer is likely "no." If Obama will not authorize return fire, what is the game plan for the police and civilians being shot at from across the border? If Obama did authorize return fire across the border, how would Mexico react to military snipers from our side shooting drug cartel snipers from theirs? Finally, what would the rules of engagement be? Would American military snipers be authorized to take out anyone deemed a threat, or would the life of a police officer or civilian have to be taken before they can fire back? Even the military will admit that counter-sniper operations are complex and fraught with risk.

However dismal the sniper scenario sounds, the problem doesn't stop there. The Mexican drug cartels are exceptionally well-manned and armed with fully automatic AK-47 rifles, RPGs, and standard grenades, none of which are available for sale in the USA. How long before the cartels realize that they have far more men and armament than a border crossing and outright attack the police manning the crossing? It could start with the Mexican border control agents abandoning their post to avoid certain death and end with the cartels attacking a border crossing, thus opening up a floodgate through which tens of thousands of illegal immigrants, narcotics traffickers, criminals, and terrorists could flood into the USA in a matter of hours.

If the Mexican drug cartels stop fighting each other and unite, this scenario could rapidly become a catastrophe. Imagine a wave of violent drug cartels overrunning the border, crossing in Nogales and then the entire town. The most frightening thing is that the scenario is entirely plausible. With a foothold in the USA, the flood of people and narcotics would be virtually unstoppable, and we would end up with an urban war in our own borders.

Make no mistake that America is under an invasion. The army is not that of the Mexican government, but it is an invasion nonetheless. If we continue to turn a blind eye to the situation, it could easily escalate out of control into an international and human catastrophe. We can no longer wait and see what happens on the border and then react to it. Any military strategist will tell you that if you are merely reacting, you are losing.

It's time that we send the American military, not just the National Guard, to the border to defend the USA, as is the responsibility of the federal government. This suggestion is not meant to disparage the Arizona National Guard, but they are simply not built for large-scale combat operations, and this is no longer just a simple law enforcement situation. We need to secure the border with combat troops and convince the Mexican drug cartels that they are better off squabbling with each other than fighting the USA. In fact, if the border becomes so secure that nothing can get through, the cartels will have to find other routes for their drug trade, leave the border area, and improve the lives of law-abiding Mexicans on the other side of the border as well.

In addition to securing the border, it is time for Mexican President Calderón and Obama to meet to discuss the possibilities of worsening assaults on the border and our possible responses to these events before they actually happen. If protocols and understandings are there beforehand, the likelihood of any incident spinning out of control into a war is greatly reduced.

Finally, Obama needs to reprioritize his administration away from attempting to sue Arizona and toward addressing the problem that prompted Arizona to pass the law in the first place. Only after the border is secure should we talk about what to do about illegal immigrants still in the USA and expanding work permit programs for law-abiding Mexicans to make a living here.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; comingtoyourtown; mexico; occupation; organizedcrime; reconquista

1 posted on 07/01/2010 8:54:30 AM PDT by NCjim
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To: NCjim

Charlie Crist seems to have his ad on every conservative site he can find.


2 posted on 07/01/2010 9:00:09 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: NCjim

“Only after the border is secure should we talk about what to do about illegal immigrants still in the USA and expanding work permit programs for law-abiding Mexicans to make a living here”

This last part should not happen until we have zero unemployment.


3 posted on 07/01/2010 9:00:48 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (Language, Borders, Culture, Full employment for those here legally)
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To: NCjim
Make no mistake that America is under an invasion. The army is not that of the Mexican government

The Mexican army *is* an occasional participant.

4 posted on 07/01/2010 9:02:25 AM PDT by Spirochete (Texas is an anagram for Taxes)
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To: NCjim
I just talked to a friend who returned from temporary duty on the southern border with DHS. He told me that it is already FAR, worse than even we imagine. DHS is stripping officers from the northern border on temporary duty to the southern border to try to combat the problem, but they can't. They're getting shot at from Mexico and can't return fire.
5 posted on 07/01/2010 9:06:21 AM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way!)
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To: NCjim

If the drug cartels start targeting our border patrol then it opens them up for retaliation by the U.S. Some are afraid of a war with Mexico if this should happen. I look at it this way.....If the Mexican military can’t even handle the drug cartels, what makes people think they could handle the U.S. military?

If Mexico won’t or can’t, take care of the drug cartels, and the cartels are threatening the U.S., then we have no choice but to take out the cartels on the American border. Mexico needs to understand this. I would warn all those living on the Mexican side of the border that they best move out.


6 posted on 07/01/2010 9:08:26 AM PDT by RC2
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To: NCjim
How long before the cartels realize that they have far more men and armament than a border crossing and outright attack the police manning the crossing? Another freeper, who claims to know everything about the Border Patrol, has written several times that they are not authorized to shoot back in such a situation.
7 posted on 07/01/2010 9:09:10 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: NCjim
Go here to see what is really going on, on the border..... www.Borderlandbeat.com
8 posted on 07/01/2010 9:20:46 AM PDT by sniper63 (I am the leader of the TEA Party, I, myself am the leader of me, myself for I am the TEA Party!)
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To: NCjim
It's time that we send the American military, not just the National Guard, to the border to defend the USA, as is the responsibility of the federal government. This suggestion is not meant to disparage the Arizona National Guard, but they are simply not built for large-scale combat operations

I suggested this very thing a couple of weeks ago and sure enough, someone took offense, that I was somehow disparaging the National Guard.

It's past time for regular troops. Citizens of a foreign nation have declared war on us. If Mexico cannot control their own citizens it's still our job to protect ours. Little chance of that happening with the communist in the White House in charge.

9 posted on 07/01/2010 9:24:07 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (We couldn't keep the commandments when there was only ONE!)
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To: oneolcop

The phrase “land of unwalled villages” comes to mind as I think about our own unprotected border. This phrase is from Ezekiel and refers to nations targeting Israel, but the PRINCIPLE fits the US: “I will invade a land of unwalled villages, I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people –all of them living without gates and bars.” (Ezek. 38:8-11)


10 posted on 07/01/2010 10:06:22 AM PDT by 1951Boomer
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To: NCjim

I have been thinking about a radical solution for a while:

As we detain illegal aliens from South of the border, we should give them a choice; they can be deported (go home broke) or they can volunteer for the Mexican Liberation Army. We pay, train, and equip them. We send many back as spies to determine who the corrupt politicians, police, and narcotraficantes are, where they live, their associates, etc.

When we have about 2 million infantry trained we drop the Mexican Liberation Army in with air, artillery, and armor support. They pick up the banditos, hit men, corrupt pols, et al, PUT THEM UP AGAINST THE WALL AND EXECUTE THEM. Seize the estates of the corrupt and criminal to fund the new government and infrastructure development. With the Liberation Army we send in the interim government, judges, police, etc. that we have trained.

In return, America gets economic development privileges, a major blow to the drug trade, and a friendly Southern neighbor. Venezuela? Rinse and repeat!

Viva Mexico!


11 posted on 07/01/2010 10:36:55 AM PDT by darth
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To: darth

I also have a radical solution, but it will never be implemented.

Have the U.S. military clear a one-mile swath of land on the Mexican side of the border. Set up barricades and barbed-wire up to one mile south of the border, and heavily mine it. If the Mexican military tries to intervene, blast them to hell.


12 posted on 07/01/2010 11:00:26 AM PDT by roadcat
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To: RC2
.....If the Mexican military can’t even handle the drug cartels, what makes people think they could handle the U.S. military?

The mexican military and/or the drug cartels couldn't even handle the Arizona National Guard. That's why Gov Brewer needs to send the Az Guard to the border with orders to clean house.

13 posted on 07/01/2010 1:56:01 PM PDT by Mogollon (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: darth
Works for me!!!

So long as Mexicans can migrate North to escape the poverty and corruption in Mexico, these problems will not go away. We need to keep the lid on Mexico until something blows. To have a trained and equipped revolutionary army ready to go is actually a very good idea IMHO.

14 posted on 07/01/2010 2:05:51 PM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way!)
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To: NCjim

I was thinking about this, if oboingo rams through some amnesty crap, wouldn’t it be possible that the drug cartels, knowing about it, would send their gangs over to the U.S., they get amnesty and become “legal” citizens or whatever, wouldn’t that make it EASIER for them to travel back and forth? Wouldn’t amnesty cause the drug cartel problem, as bad as it is now, to get a thousand times worse?


15 posted on 07/01/2010 2:14:11 PM PDT by Newton ('No arsenal is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.' -Ronald Reagan)
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To: NCjim; All

“Make no mistake that America is under an invasion. The army is not that of the Mexican government, but it is an invasion nonetheless.”

What is an ARMY?

(The invasion of the USA) What makes up an army? An army is made of men between the age of 15 and 35.

What comes across our border by the millions each year? Men between the ages of 15 and 35.

Afghan drug lords are now teamed with Mexican drug cartels to flood our cities with heroin. In Mexico, this Muslim Connnection to the drug cartels has brought beheadings to the streets of border towns. Many Mexican cities are now surrounded by Mexican Army troops and tanks — all to quel the violence. The city of Tijuana had its entire 3,000 man police force disarmed and replaced with Mexican Federal Troops.

What we have below are two images. One is of an enemy we fought tooth and claw for seventy years nearly bankrupting our country. The other we today invite across our border with welfare, free medical care, and more. The centers of many American cities are now controlled by MS-13 and others of the most violent gangs in America’s entire history. These gangs want to kill police and federal agents to rise in reputation among their own kind. Our prisons are now filled with a violent criminal class never seen before anywhere on earth.

In all of the 70 years of the Soviet Union — including the years of the proxy war of Vietnam.— they killed fewer Americans in total than Mexican Illegal Aliens do inside this country in a single year.

http://www.usborderpatrol.com/Border_Patrol901_10.htm (several years old, btw.)


16 posted on 07/01/2010 3:33:28 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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Ping!


17 posted on 07/01/2010 3:46:52 PM PDT by HiJinx (John 10:1 - He who enters not by the gate...)
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To: NCjim

Excellent article.


18 posted on 07/02/2010 7:51:45 AM PDT by Gritty (Today the future lies between the certainty of decline and the probability of catastrophe-Mark Steyn)
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To: NCjim

If that bastard Marxist Muslim Impostor in the White House wins his case with Arizona, which is apparently in the cards considering the presiding judge has allowed a FOREIGN POWER, MEXICO, to file a brief in the case, it WILL get worse.

Its time for the governors of states like Montana, Arizona, etc., to dust off the history books, consult with Constitutional Lawyers and start drafting Articles of Secession.

But THIS time, fight it in the courts.


19 posted on 07/03/2010 8:42:25 AM PDT by ZULU
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