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Coburn and Kagan on Natural Rights
Reason ^ | July 2, 2010 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 07/03/2010 9:47:02 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright

Coburn and Kagan on Natural Rights

| July 2, 2010

The day after he unusuccessfully pressed Supreme Court nominee Elena Kagan to define the limits of the Commerce Clause, Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) unsuccessfully pressed her to take a position on natural rights:

Coburn: Do you believe it is a fundamental, pre-existing right to have an arm to defend yourself?

Kagan: Senator Coburn, I very much appreciate how deeply important the right to bear arms is to millions and millions of Americans. And I accept Heller, which made clear that the Second Amendment conferred that right upon individuals, and not simply collectively.

Coburn: I'm asking you, Elena Kagan, do you personally believe there is a fundamental right in this area? Do you agree with Blackstone [in] the natural right of resistance and self-preservation, the right of having and using arms for self-preservation and defense? He didn't say that was a constitutional right. He said that's a natural right. And what I'm asking you is, do you agree with that?

Kagan: Senator Coburn, to be honest with you, I don't have a view of what are natural rights, independent of the Constitution. And my job as a justice will be to enforce and defend the Constitution and the laws of the United States.

Coburn: So you wouldn't embrace what the Declaration of Independence says, that we have certain God-given, inalienable rights that aren't given in the Constitution that are ours, ours alone, and that a government doesn't give those to us?

Kagan: Senator Coburn, I believe that the Constitution is an extraordinary document, and I'm not saying I do not believe that there are rights pre-existing the Constitution and the laws. But my job as a justice is to enforce the Constitution and the laws.

Coburn: Well, I understand that. I'm not talking about as a justice. I'm talking about Elena Kagan. What do you believe? Are there inalienable rights for us? Do you believe that?

Kagan: Senator Coburn, I think that the question of what I believe as to what people's rights are outside the Constitution and the laws, that you should not want me to act in any way on the basis of such a belief.

Coburn: I would want you to always act on the basis of the belief of what our Declaration of Independence says.

Kagan: I think you should want me to act on the basis of law. And that is what I have upheld to do, if I'm fortunate enough to be confirmed, is to act on the basis of law, which is the Constitution and the statutes of the United States.

Note that Kagan is deploying her own "pincer movement," her description of how Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg avoided giving substantive answers at her confirmation hearings. On one hand, Kagan won't say anything that might give a "hint" of how she would vote on a case that could conceivably come before the Court. According to her, this rule (which embodies just the sort of broad self-censorship she once condemned) means she cannot express a constitutional judgment about a hypothetical federal law mandating fruit and vegetable consumption; it also means she cannot say how she would have voted in a 68-year-old Commerce Clause case. On the other hand, she won't comment on an abstract subject such as natural rights, because it is not relevant to how she would apply the Constitution. In short, she will answer any question, as long as it is neither related nor unrelated to the positions she will take as a Supreme Court justice.

But is she right to say that natural rights should play no role in constitutional interpretation? Certainly we don't want justices to read their own idiosyncratic notions of natural rights into the Constitution. Yet an originalist, even one who thinks natural rights are a convenient fiction at best, has to take into account the fact that the people who wrote and ratified the Constitution believed otherwise. That stuff in the Declaration of Independence about self-evident truths and the inalienable, God-given rights of man is more than boilerplate. It reflects a philosophical background that is relevant in deciding, for example, whether the right to armed self-defense is "fundamental" and therefore (under the Court's current standards) incorporated in the 14th Amendment—the issue in McDonald v. Chicago, this week's Second Amendment ruling.

Since it's clear Kagan is not an originalist (although it's not clear what she is), it's not surprising that natural rights strike her as a distraction from the proper work of a Supreme Court justice. When she says D.C. v. Heller "made clear that the Second Amendment conferred that right [to arms] upon individuals," she is expressing the positivist view that we have whatever rights we have by virtue of the law (including the Constitution). Although she did not directly answer the question, it's pretty clear she believes those rights are not pre-existing. When she says, "I don't have a view of what are natural rights, independent of the Constitution," her agnosticism is hard to distinguish from atheism. (I don't mean to imply that believing in natural rights requires believing in God; Ayn Rand certainly didn't think so.)

Still, it's hard to believe that Kagan really thinks there is no external standard by which to judge the morality of a constitution. If our Constitution is better now that it bans slavery than it was when it tacitly allowed slavery, why is that? The traditional American answer is that slavery violates basic human rights, a.k.a. natural rights, that people have by virtue of being people, regardless of what the law says. What would it cost Kagan to acknowledge as much?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: banglist; constitution; freedom; kagan; kagantruthfile; rights
This *itch should be no where near ANY position in the government.

★ FREEDOM! ★

1 posted on 07/03/2010 9:47:07 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright
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To: Neil E. Wright
Kagan: Senator Coburn, to be honest with you, I don't have a view of what are natural rights, independent of the Constitution. And my job as a justice will be to enforce and defend the Constitution and the laws of the United States.

So much for natural rights. Kagan thinks we get our rights from people like herself.

2 posted on 07/03/2010 9:56:13 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign
Kagan isn't qualified to manage a Walmart.

"But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: for men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away, for his name is Obama."

3 posted on 07/03/2010 9:58:06 PM PDT by Viking2002
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To: All; Neil E. Wright

Let’s call our senators and tell them to filibuster and vote No!


4 posted on 07/03/2010 10:02:38 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Viking2002

Hell, I wouldn’t allow her near the stockroom.


5 posted on 07/03/2010 10:02:40 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Neil E. Wright
Kagan’s ‘forgery’, i.e., rewriting a position of a panel of experts to suit her own political and moral view (while employed by the Clinton administration), should automatically exclude her from any government job whatsoever - it would an ordinary person - and should be the focus of hearing questioning insofar as integrity
6 posted on 07/03/2010 10:05:50 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: Neil E. Wright

I love Oklahoma—and I say that as a native Texan who’s living in Texas. I lived for many years in Oklahoma, too-—but I really love it these days with their any fine legislators.


7 posted on 07/03/2010 10:14:16 PM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "Gun Free Zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: blueplum

Bump


8 posted on 07/04/2010 3:20:12 AM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: FreeReign
Coburn should have followed up with questions on the 9th amendment:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

9 posted on 07/04/2010 3:26:29 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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