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Old technology stymies Calif. gov's pay-cut order [state's computers "can't restate paychecks"]
MSNBC ^ | 07/03/10 | Cathy Bussewitz

Posted on 07/04/2010 3:07:11 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — As the Terminator, Arnold Schwarzenegger was the technology of the future, feared by humans. As governor, he's being foiled by the technology of the past.

For the second time in two years, Schwarzenegger has ordered most state workers' pay cut to the federal minimum wage because lawmakers missed their deadline to fix the state's $19 billion budget deficit. The Legislature's failure to act has left the state without a spending plan as the new fiscal year begins.

A state appellate court ruled in Schwarzenegger's favor Friday, but the state controller, who issues state paychecks, says he can't comply. One reason given by Controller John Chiang, a Democrat elected in 2006: The state's computer system can't handle the technological challenge of restating paychecks to the federal minimum of $7.25 an hour.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; computers; federalpayrates; furlough; johnchiang; minimumwage; paycut; schwarzenegger

1 posted on 07/04/2010 3:07:17 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

got to love government efficiency


2 posted on 07/04/2010 3:09:40 PM PDT by GeronL (Just say NO to conservativecave.com, it rots your teeth!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

BS.

Teale Data Center where the states DP work is done is state of the art and the software can do whatever they need.


3 posted on 07/04/2010 3:10:04 PM PDT by edcoil (Kingdoms have never survived. Don't let any new ones be formed.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
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Miss me yet California?

4 posted on 07/04/2010 3:11:53 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

ADP can....bum for Chiang.....outsource such work, Arnold.


5 posted on 07/04/2010 3:12:35 PM PDT by cranked
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To: edcoil
Teale Data Center where the states DP work is done is state of the art and the software can do whatever they need want.
6 posted on 07/04/2010 3:13:23 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: edcoil

To be perfectly honest, that’s precisely the sort of info I was/am looking for, in posting this. (I know there are any number of fellow FReepers hereabouts whose computer skills and knowledge far outstrip my own, after all.) ;)


7 posted on 07/04/2010 3:13:26 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (http://www.conservatives4palin.com/)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

The programming is fairly trivial, actually. Not much of a challenge.


8 posted on 07/04/2010 3:19:17 PM PDT by texmexis best (My)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
What crap. Anyone who believes this needs to buy shares in the Brooklyn Bridge.
9 posted on 07/04/2010 3:22:25 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

So fire them all and require everyone to reapply. This gives them the chance to rethink their employment and the opportunity to leave.


10 posted on 07/04/2010 3:26:05 PM PDT by pennyfarmer (Your Socialist Beat our Liberal)
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To: texmexis best

I’m a programmer... I’d happily re-program their computers.
And finances would be extraordinarily easy with Ada’s built-in support of fixed-point types.


11 posted on 07/04/2010 3:27:17 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Oh, okay. Fine.

Inform them gubmint' proles that any overpayment they recieve this month will be taken out of their next check once the software gets straightened out.

They seem to have no problem collecting debts from the rest of us, just garnish their wages, add it to their tax bill, suspend their license and vehicle registration until they pay up...Isn't gov't power grand?!!!!

12 posted on 07/04/2010 3:29:04 PM PDT by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: texmexis best
The programming is fairly trivial, actually. Not much of a challenge.

Thank you. (Some of us are old farts, after all, and therefore remain somewhat technologically impaired.) ;)

13 posted on 07/04/2010 3:29:24 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (http://www.conservatives4palin.com/)
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To: texmexis best
Wow, those poor California State workers. Why, they must not have gotten any performance based raises, or cost of living increases, or pay raises for promotions... I mean, since the computer payroll system is apparently incapable of changing anyone's salary down to the minimum, they must not have been able to process anyone's salary changes for any other reason, right?

This is total BS and bull. My very next act if I was Gov. S. would be to fire that guy for lying or gross incompetence. There is absolutely no reason people's salaries cannot be modified up or down. My company does it at least once a year for every single employee. Some get additional modifications throughout the year.

14 posted on 07/04/2010 3:32:50 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (obama out now! I'll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom - you can keep the change.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

“There is absolutely no reason people’s salaries cannot be modified up or down.”

Technologically that is correct. However, you must remember these are government workers. Any cut in pay they would receive is only a stunt in the first place, and they know they will be getting paid their full amount plus cost of living increases no matter what happens. Government must be fed.


15 posted on 07/04/2010 3:43:19 PM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 507)
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To: ThunderSleeps; KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; GeronL

Believe me, here in CA’s San Fernando Valley, when the teacher union has someone who will to join (and wants to deduct union dues for their political campaigns) it suddenly happens - ASAP. The very next pay check. It’s all done electronically, and very “efficiently.”

It is only when only when you want “out” of union dues & membership — that they suddenly foot drag, ‘have problems” inputting it at the HR office, and yaddablah, etc.

This is BS, BS, BS.

Total corruption, under the guise of “IT” difficulties.


16 posted on 07/04/2010 3:47:46 PM PDT by 4Liberty ( How do you spell "moral hazard"?: $ 19, 0 0 0, 0 0 0, 0 0 0, 0 0 0.)
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To: edcoil
Teale Data Center where the states DP work is done is state of the art and the software can do whatever they need.

Then the ultimatum should be, do it or we outsource it to the Dreaded Private Sector. Never let a crisis go to waste, you know.

17 posted on 07/04/2010 3:49:12 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: bitterohiogunclinger; ThunderSleeps; KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; GeronL

Yeah, unions love to play these games with “technical difficulties” to maintain their union dues contributions.

I wrote a letter, asking the head Teacher Union President where I work:

“Why can’t you make instant adjustments when we want to QUIT the union, but you can make it quickly when someone decides to join (and you get the Union/Democrat dues)?”

They then agreed to end my membership immediately, no questions asked. These guys are corrupt, and use this “technical difficulties” nonsense to intimidate regular rank and file folks, the taxpayers, and the MS media!!!


18 posted on 07/04/2010 3:53:52 PM PDT by 4Liberty ( How do you spell "moral hazard"?: $ 19, 0 0 0, 0 0 0, 0 0 0, 0 0 0.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
BS. Where there is a will there is a way, and this Democrat obviously has no will. I am skeptical that this is true, but if nothing else, take everyone off the system and re-enter them as new hires making minimum wage.

Any historical info can be saved to a disk before the system is wiped and the data re-entered. There's also the old way - cut a manual check for everyone, after stopping the payroll system.

19 posted on 07/04/2010 3:56:32 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I wish I could tell a judge that I could not comply with an order because my computer and / or software is out of date... << sigh >>


20 posted on 07/04/2010 3:57:08 PM PDT by Nat Turner (I can see NOVEMBER from my house....)
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To: ThunderSleeps
My very next act if I was Gov. S. would be to fire that guy for lying or gross incompetence.

Sorry no can do ... One reason given by Controller John Chiang, a Democrat elected in 2006: An elected official can only be impeached by the legislature, most of whom are fellow democrats. California is an ice-cold stacked deck in favor of the Democrats, the districts being gerrymandered into non-competition.

21 posted on 07/04/2010 4:00:30 PM PDT by SES1066 (Cycling to conserve, Conservative to save, Saving to Retire, will Retire to Cycle.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

If they can raise the pay, they can lower it.


22 posted on 07/04/2010 5:00:14 PM PDT by BenKenobi (I want to hear more about Sam! Samwise the stouthearted!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
The money quote:

"It's not something that you can take lightly and do overnight," said Harrigan...
"You have all the collective bargaining for civil servants and (state universities) that have to be taken into consideration. ... It's very complicated. It would take considerable effort."

So much for "technical difficulties".

23 posted on 07/04/2010 5:02:17 PM PDT by norton
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To: BenKenobi
Reminds me of an exchange I was privy to between one of our division controllers and a very senior executive. When the executive asked for a report he had requested the prior month, the controller said something like "I'm sorry, sir, but our computer system won't give us that kind of information". [pause in the room--you could here a pin drop]. The executive fixed his cold stare on the controller and said: "I don't ever want to hear that excuse again. The damned system will do whatever the hell we tell it to do."

And it did--the very next month.

24 posted on 07/04/2010 5:07:46 PM PDT by Czar (NRA Life Member)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; All

—check out posts #2 and #33 for part of the problem—

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2546825/posts


25 posted on 07/04/2010 5:23:27 PM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

California still issues paper payroll checks?


26 posted on 07/04/2010 5:32:10 PM PDT by grandpa jones (Obama must be exhausted, having to tote that giant brain of his around all the time.)
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To: grandpa jones

Last I knew direct deposit was voluntary. They could make it mandatory like social security. We temporarilly reduced pay and demoted people as part of our employee discipline. The next check the action was reflected on the check if we took action before the 17th of the month. I don’t understand the problem here.


27 posted on 07/04/2010 5:35:21 PM PDT by whence911 (Here illegally? Go home. Get in line!)
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To: edcoil

Agreed.

It would be possible to simply use 1 person’s paycheck as an example for paying someone minimum wage, and feed in all state employees’ names. You could set up a dedicated database to collect the information for later cross-referencing.

Tedious, detailed, but certainly no major rewrite.

Likewise, you could feed in a rate change to a constant of XYZ dollars to commence on a date certain. Ditto for people being paid from retirement accounts across the board.

While in IT, I don’t do these things for a living, and I, EVEN I, can figure this out easily.

So, yes, the argument is complete and utter BS.


28 posted on 07/05/2010 3:16:11 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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