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Around the world, freedom is in peril
wapo ^ | 7/5/10 | Fred Hiatt

Posted on 07/05/2010 12:00:48 PM PDT by Nachum

As America this weekend celebrates the birth of its liberty, in much of the rest of the world freedom and democracy are in retreat.

Over the past decade, authoritarian rulers have refined their techniques to stay in power, learning from each other and thinking two steps ahead of democratic forces. Unprepared for this systematic reply to the advance of democracy from the 1970s through the 1990s, democratic governments have yet to formulate a coherent response.

"A global political recession" is how Tom Melia describes the current state of affairs. Melia is deputy director of Freedom House, a nonprofit that annually measures the state of liberty in every nation -- and that has found "more countries seeing declines in overall freedom than gains" in recent years, Melia said last week.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: around; freedom; peril; world

1 posted on 07/05/2010 12:00:51 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

The global communist and Marxist parties are on a roll right now thanks to Georgie Soros. I can’t believe how many of those maggots are living in this country. Unreal.


2 posted on 07/05/2010 12:03:35 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("A republic, if you can keep it." - Benjamin Franklin, 1787)
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To: Nachum

in much of the rest of the world freedom and democracy are in retreat.


Sorry but can you put a source for this claim?
Because i live in europe and i feel as free as i did yesterday! And i don´t think that “my freedom” has something to do with the US.
So happy 4th July!
But then again what has this to do with the rest of the world?
greetings


3 posted on 07/05/2010 12:08:35 PM PDT by darkside321
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To: Nachum

Even CNN has begun to notice the death of our First Amendment rights: http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=203


4 posted on 07/05/2010 12:12:31 PM PDT by earglasses (I was blind, and now I hear...)
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To: darkside321

Europe is widely regarded as less free than the US, and its citizens less happy than ours. It’s the high-tax Socialist nature of European nations that lead to this conclusion. What country do you live in? How do you view America’s freedoms and relatively low taxes (compared to Europe’s) from where you are?


5 posted on 07/05/2010 12:34:46 PM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: darkside321
"in much of the rest of the world freedom and democracy are in retreat."

Sorry but can you put a source for this claim?

Did you read the article?

6 posted on 07/05/2010 12:37:00 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

Did you read the article?


No previous to your post i have only read your “quote”.
But right now Yes i did! But then again what makes you think that america is the “only” free country? And that it has the right to spread “their” fews on other onces?
Because believe me the US is NOT! (I´m born in the US so please don´t get me wrong but i have grown up in europe).
At the end people are people.
And only because you may like the idea this doesn´t make it truth nor will you be able to convince other people to see it your way. Sorry to say to you but I´m american ( at least i could get me an american passport “but never will do it” because i prefer to enter the US as a tourist) I won´t arge who is more free! Because live in the USA is just different then live in “europe”. But then again this does not mean that we are less free (or more important that we even whant to be like the US). Because most people don´t. If we would wish “we” would have done that. But at the end blease don´t think that americans are somehow superior because they are not.
SOURCE: reality


7 posted on 07/05/2010 12:55:55 PM PDT by darkside321
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To: darkwing104; 50mm

Possible sleeper troll at #3 and #6


8 posted on 07/05/2010 1:00:05 PM PDT by GOP_Raider (Please consider the logging and timber industries when printing this tagline)
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To: worst-case scenario

Europe is widely regarded as less free than the US, and its citizens less happy than ours. It’s the high-tax Socialist nature of European nations that lead to this conclusion. What country do you live in? How do you view America’s freedoms and relatively low taxes (compared to Europe’s) from where you are?


You have a point but then again you talk like someone who think that “europens’” are unhappy with their high kind of tax. And this is not true. If we “would” hate this this much don´t you think that we would do something about it? Most europeans just feel fine the way that they are taxed.
NO ONE likes to give money away but then again why do you think that we are unappy because of that.
If we would we would not have this systems because if you believe it or not most of europe is still a democracy!
So whats the big deal?


9 posted on 07/05/2010 1:09:42 PM PDT by darkside321
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To: Nachum
Dear WaPo...Heritage Foundation reports annually its "Index of Economic Freedom." The 2010 report does not reflect well on the United States...we are in freefall and now listed as "Mostly Free" thanks to the communist Hussein and his democrat cronies. It infuriates me that the U.S., of all places, is listed as "Mostly Free." Electing a commie thug dictator has consequences:


10 posted on 07/05/2010 1:14:59 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: worst-case scenario

What country do you live in? How do you view America’s freedoms and relatively low taxes (compared to Europe’s) from where you are?


This would be austria! The country i have been raised and the country i wan´t to die (including my us girlfiriend and the fact that i had double citizenship since i was born in the US as an austrian citizen)

I love this country and the people!
My girlfriend from the Us loves it too.
Is it the best country in this world?
I guess not (because i never visited every country in this world) But is it a country where she and me would love to abodon an american citizenship? Then definietlly yes.
Because “we” found each other and i love her as she does me so why again i should have to ask again?


11 posted on 07/05/2010 1:23:09 PM PDT by darkside321
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To: darkside321

I don’t necessarily believe that Europeans are unhappy with their tax levels. Your statement confirms the story I read on the Marketwatch site that people in heavily taxed countries like Norway, Sweden, Canada, Australia, and Switzerland were happier than Americans.http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-happiest-places-on-earth-are-heavily-taxed

The argument was made that people there are happier because they have social services and a social safety net not found in the US. Theoretically, it made for a nation where people believed that they all had some kind of social obligation to each other. One thing you never hear discussed in the US media is that Europeans might be HAPPIER with their higher tax levels! I do not think most Americans would believe you. Taxing the wealthy is called “class warfare” here.

Here in the US, the argument is made that taxes are the reason people are unhappy, and that social programs are both unaffordable and encourage laziness. Even unemployment benefits extension are being condemned as creating a “welfare mentality.” How do you answer that sort of criticism?

Yes, most of Europe is a democracy - but aren’t you afraid that Austria will go the way of Greece, because its tax levels punish the hardest-working ones who make the most money? Don’t high taxes punish success? How do Austrians (in general, since you can’t speak for all) regard taxes, especially if they are wealthy?


12 posted on 07/05/2010 1:57:54 PM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: darkside321
Did you read the article?

But then again what makes you think that america is the “only” free country? And that it has the right to spread “their” fews on other onces?

Wow. What on earth are you talking about? All I said was, did you read the article?

13 posted on 07/05/2010 2:45:09 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Nachum

Democracy and freedom are not the same things. Democracies can be tyrannical, as we are seeing here. Too bad we seem to have lost our republic.


14 posted on 07/05/2010 2:48:49 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: worst-case scenario

No i´m arn´t afraid because austria is one of the most rich countries in europe. And yes we are heavily taxed. This is true but i´m not aware that there are many (because in every socitey you will find someone who is unhappy) people
who would want to live everywhere else. Live is ok here even we pay a ot of taxes. Is it perfekt? Hell No! But then again most people here don´t have a problem to pay more tax
than the “average joe” as long as they have more money at the end.


15 posted on 07/05/2010 5:45:11 PM PDT by darkside321
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To: worst-case scenario

Well sorry to say but the “welfare thing and the so called socialiced medicine”) is something i really don´t get here.
Because as stupid as it sounds there are 2 sides in america. And every side trys to pick up only what fits their needs. So one side says socialiced medicine is the hell on earth (picking up the worst of all european countries) the other side says yes we do need this picking up only the positive sides.
Just for example I ám a resident of a so called western european yountry which has socialiced health care.
Does this mean that the service is crap?
Does this mean that i´m forced to join this system?
Hell NO!
I for example have a private insurance and no one wants
to change me.
Why because here socialiced medicine only means that every citizen has acess to basic medical service no matter how much money you have. ( And this is a good thing).
For the rest of “us” you are free to enter a private clinic all you want (if you can pay it). No one is forcing you to do everything.
You whant a private insurance? Who cares? juist do it.
All the state cares is that if you may found yourself in a situation where you can´t afford this. they will enshure
that you are still able to get the medical treatment you would need.
This is not a bad thing!


16 posted on 07/05/2010 6:07:41 PM PDT by darkside321
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To: worst-case scenario

Europe is widely regarded as less free than the US, and its citizens less happy than ours. It’s the high-tax Socialist nature of European nations that lead to this conclusion. What country do you live in? How do you view America’s freedoms and relatively low taxes (compared to Europe’s) from where you are.


Again “europe” is not less free than the US.
The “freedoms” differ in europe.
Sometimes “we” have more freedoms to enjoy than the americans and sometimes “we” don´t. example? You are allowed to drive a car when you are 16. In my country you have to be 18. Then again you are to go out and order what ever you want at the age of 16 here. You will get your beer even you are 15 ;-) in america it´s 21.
So who is more free (No ONE!)? its just different.


17 posted on 07/05/2010 6:30:23 PM PDT by darkside321
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To: darkside321

Thank you for your replies. You are portraying a system very different from what we have here. Some people on FR might say you are a troll because your testimony isn’t what they are used to thinking.

But I do appreciate it. It sounds like you think the system you have in Austria is preferable in some ways to that in the US - health care, for instance.

It is an excellent thing for people from all across the world to inform each other about the way they live. Thank you again.


18 posted on 07/05/2010 7:58:46 PM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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