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'Muslim science' fiction
NY Post ^ | July 10, 2010 | Rich Lowry

Posted on 07/10/2010 2:35:04 AM PDT by Scanian

In the 16th century, astrono mer Taqi al-Din built one of the world's great observato ries in Istanbul. It rivaled that of pioneering Danish astronomer Tycho Brahe -- while it lasted.

"Taqi al-Din's observatory was razed to the ground by a squad of Janissaries, by order of the sultan, on the recommendation of the Chief Mufti," Bernard Lewis writes in his book "What Went Wrong?" "This observatory had many predecessors in the lands of Islam; it had no successors until the age of modernization."

NASA Administrator Charles Bolden caused a furor when he revealed that President Obama had directed him "to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science . . . and math and engineering."

This shouldn't be hard to do, so long as Bolden is well-versed in accomplishments rising out of the Middle East many centuries ago. It gave us what we know as Arabic numerals, although they originated in India.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: backwardness; clashofcivilizations; ignorance; islam; nasa
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1 posted on 07/10/2010 2:35:09 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Scanian

So, should we give them moon rocks with which to perform their stonings?


2 posted on 07/10/2010 2:43:24 AM PDT by donmeaker ("Get off my lawn." Clint Eastwood, Green Ford Torino)
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To: Scanian

The Arabs had nothing to do with the invention of the modern decimal place-value system and the concept of zero that replaced the cumbersome Roman numeral system, and changed mathematics as we know it today. All they did was copy them from the Indians, and convey to the rest of the world, claiming as their own inventions.


3 posted on 07/10/2010 2:54:39 AM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett

Go, JCB

Tell us more.


4 posted on 07/10/2010 2:58:52 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: Scanian

Muslims seem to have an odd conception of the Big Bang theory.


5 posted on 07/10/2010 3:03:03 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Barack Obama, the Coleman Francis of presidents.)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

More?

Many of their other “inventions” and “discoveries” were basically extrapolations of prior work of the Greek, Hindus and Persians, and others, from manuscripts that ended up in their hands after Europe purged their versions during the Dark Ages.


6 posted on 07/10/2010 3:04:20 AM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett

Many of their other “inventions” and “discoveries” were basically extrapolations of prior work of the Greek, Hindus and Persians, and others, from manuscripts that ended up in their hands after Europe purged their versions during the Dark Ages.

Gee, to hear Obama tell it, the Muslims have invented about nearly everything in the world that you can think of, right?

Remember his speech in Cairo? Remember the long list of Muslim inventions? Nearly every one of those seemed spurious and laughable to me because in my reading of history I don’t recall any Muslim inventions at all. I have heard over and over that they invented algebra, but I think that was taken from the Greeks — am I correct?

And now, we need to help the Muslims with their rocket technology — that is to say, we need to help them learn how to shoot rockets that land on top of our heads instead of just using jumbo jets next time — is my interpretation correct?


7 posted on 07/10/2010 3:14:08 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

Very much so!


8 posted on 07/10/2010 3:16:13 AM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett

how can anyone, With half a brain doubt that Obama is a Muslim?

His father was a Muslim.

His stepfather was a Muslim.

His religion in Indonesia is clearly listed as Muslim.

Dr. John Drew, who knew him well at Occidental College, said he knew him as “a gay passionate Marxist” and a Muslim who roomed three times with Pakistani Muslim male roommates — never a hint of her girlfriend, a date, a prom, or anything else.

Remember when it was reported in the New York Times that Barack Hussein Obama could recite the Arabic call to prayer in a perfect Arabic accent with a big smile on his face???

Well, that article has been scrubbed.

I wonder why?

Know any other politicians who can recite the Arabic call to prayer? I don’t.

Ever see any interviews of his roommates? Ever notice that the first one is now 47 years old, lives in Seattle, teaches “theater arts”, and is still single? Want to bet that this man is a homosexual too? But you will never never never see any MSM in investigation of this roommate or any of the others

Just like you will never see any MSM. reporting that NASA’s new “main concern” is to help Muslim countries with their science and technology which is currently nonexistent — somehow, incredibly, insanely, it is now our job to help Muslim countries feel better.

Weirder and weirder, curiouser and curiouser, stranger and stranger.


9 posted on 07/10/2010 3:23:40 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: Scanian

All you have to do is take a look at the following quote to know that the Obama administration and the entire United States has now gone insane:

“to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science . . . and math and engineering.”


10 posted on 07/10/2010 3:24:37 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: Scanian

This is from the linked article:

This shouldn’t be hard to do, so long as Bolden is well-versed in accomplishments rising out of the Middle East many centuries ago. It gave us what we know as Arabic numerals, although they originated in India. It gave us algebra and the rudiments of trigonometry.

It gave us medical pioneers in the 10th and 11th centuries. (A significant proportion of these scientists and physicians were Christians and Jews, Lewis notes — a fact Charles “Bling” Bolden had best keep to himself.)

It’s wonderful to feel good about the work of Ibn Sina of Bukhara, who compiled an indispensable medical encyclopedia before his death in 1037, but it raises the question of what Muslim science has done for us over the last millennium or so.

The Muslim world would be better served by a frank discussion of how so much of it came to be sunk in backwardness and ignorance, although NASA’s administrator is not the natural person to lead it (nor, if he’s as smart as advertised, will he volunteer for the task).

Historian David Landes puts it starkly: “The vast bulk of modern science was of Europe’s making, especially that breakthrough of the 17th and 18th centuries that goes by the name ‘scientific revolution.’ Not only did non-Western science contribute just about nothing (though there was more there than Europeans knew), but at that point it was incapable of participating, so far had it fallen behind or taken the wrong turning.”

The short version of the story is that in the battle between science and religious obscurantism in the Islamic world, obscurantism won in a rout. Landes recounts that when the Muslims conquered Persia in the seventh century, the commander on the ground was forbidden to distribute the vast collection of captured books and scientific papers. Word came down from on high: “Throw them in the water. If what they contain is right guidance, God has given us better guidance. If it is error, God has protected us against it.”

Read more:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/muslim_science_fiction_x5Pc3oA6SIRH4FXfciuNsL#ixzz0tH24EeAj


11 posted on 07/10/2010 3:28:01 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

Is an interview with this Dr. John Drew online somewhere? That was a good article. I am also convinced he is gay. What I don’t understand is why no one steps forward with information. Or maybe I do understand — pure survival instinct?


12 posted on 07/10/2010 3:29:57 AM PDT by Old_Grouch (63 and AARP-free. Monthly FR contributor.)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

He also claimed that the Arabic, Islamic call to prayer is the ‘most beautiful sound’ one could ever hear, or so I’ve read from threads here and beyond.


13 posted on 07/10/2010 3:36:53 AM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: Old_Grouch
In response to your question, this is one item that I have in my files. I should make a blog or a website but I believe that the denial of service attacks would instantly be tremendous -- that is to say if you say anything bad about Barack Hussein Obama your website and server will be instantly shut down by Internet attacks from people who mildly disagree with me. I cannot understand why Dr. John C. Drew is not on every single news Channel, news magazine, and newspaper. He sat down with the guy for hours I believe several times and now reports to us what he saw and heard at that time. Isn't this big news? Isn't this worthy of reporting? Isn't this someone everyone in America should see? But every time I mention it on free Republic people ask me to what I am referring. Anyway, here is one link: Look at this

Obama Espoused Radical Views in College [advocated revolution]


Dr. John Drew PhD : --- who knew him very well as a gay passionate Marxist.

http://www.breitbart.tv/the-b-cast-interview-was-obama-a-committed-marxist-in-college/

Dr. John C. Drew, a grant writing consultant in Laguna Niguel, Calif., tells Newsmax he met Obama in 1980 when Obama was a sophomore at Occidental College in Los Angeles. Drew had just graduated from Occidental and was attending graduate school at Cornell University.

During Christmas break, Drew says he was at Grauman-Boss’ home in Palo Alto when Obama came over with Mohammed Hasan Chandoo, his roommate from Pakistan.

“Barack [Obama] and Hasan showed up at the house in a BMW, and then we went to a restaurant together,” Drew says. “We had a nice meal, and then we came back to the house and smoked cigarettes and drank and argued politics.”

For the next several hours, they discussed Marxism.

“He [Obama] was arguing a straightforward Marxist-Leninist class-struggle point of view, which anticipated that there would be a revolution of the working class, led by revolutionaries, who would overthrow the capitalist system and institute a new socialist government that would redistribute the wealth,” says Drew, who says he himself was then a Marxist.

“The idea was basically that wealthy people were exploiting others,” Drew says. “That this was the secret of their wealth, that they weren’t paying others enough for their work, and they were using and taking advantage of other people. He was convinced that a revolution would take place, and it would be a good thing.”

Drew concluded that Obama thought of himself as “part of an intelligent, radical vanguard that was leading the way towards this revolution and towards this new society.” ..."

Referring to Obama’s quote from “Dreams of My Father” that he associated with Marxist professors, Drew says, “What he’s not saying is that he was in 100 percent total agreement with those Marxist professors.

When you understand that, Obama’s later associations and policies make more sense, including why he was taken in by Rev. Wright’s ideology.”

14 posted on 07/10/2010 3:41:12 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: James C. Bennett

Yes. And not only that, but he could recite it perfectly, in Arabic, with the perfect Arabic accent.

I guess everyone just feels that he likes to speak in Arabic, with no deeper meaning — or could it be that he was born a Muslim raised Muslim and will die a Muslim?

No one wonders why hasn’t been to church for 18 months?

No one wonders why he wants us to help Muslim countries only, using NASA, to feel better about themselves?

No one wonders why he had to cover up all the Christian symbols at Georgetown University when he gave a speech there? Who in the world would even think of such a thing? How would this even occur to any politician unless that politician was a Muslim and didn’t want to be photographed with any Christian symbols showing in the background?

Didn’t the Egyptian Minister of Defense recently announced that Obama had confessed to him in their private meetings that he was a Muslim?

The list just goes on and on — but I think I’ve listed enough for the moment.


15 posted on 07/10/2010 3:45:52 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

“I was a little Jakarta street kid,” he said in a wide-ranging interview in his office (excerpts are on my blog, www.nytimes.com/ontheground). He once got in trouble for making faces during Koran study classes in his elementary school, but a president is less likely to stereotype Muslims as fanatics — and more likely to be aware of their nationalism — if he once studied the Koran with them.

Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”

Moreover, Mr. Obama’s own grandfather in Kenya was a Muslim. Mr. Obama never met his grandfather and says he isn’t sure if his grandfather’s two wives were simultaneous or consecutive, or even if he was Sunni or Shiite. (O.K., maybe Mr. Obama should just give up on Alabama.)

http://select.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/opinion/06kristof.html?_r=1


16 posted on 07/10/2010 3:51:52 AM PDT by dennisw (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid - Gen Eisenhower)
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To: Scanian

The only “scientific accomplishment” that the cult of hate (i.e., Mohammedism) is to invent new and inhumane ways to kill and maim people who they don’t like.

Where are the PUBs in Congress screaming about NASA’s new mission:”To engage in nonsense, to blindly go where 0bambi sends us.”? Cut all funding until NASA returns to its original mission. Where?

Silence.... crickets


17 posted on 07/10/2010 3:52:17 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
"they invented algebra"

Probably just gave it a catchy name. Just like Al Cohol.

18 posted on 07/10/2010 3:52:20 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: NTHockey

“The only “scientific accomplishment” that the cult of hate (i.e., Mohammedism) is to invent new and inhumane ways to kill and maim people who they don’t like.”

The cell phone triggered bomb... but even that is in doubt...


19 posted on 07/10/2010 4:07:56 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine .. now it is your turn..)
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To: Paladin2

The real mathematicians probably were exterminated
by Islam at the Hindu kush (slaughter).


20 posted on 07/10/2010 4:10:50 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Article IV - Section 4 - The United States shall protect each of them against Invasion)
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