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Native American tribe reclaims slice of the Hamptons after court victory
guardian.co.uk ^ | July 11, 2010 | Paul Harris

Posted on 07/11/2010 8:05:43 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

From a distance the teardrop-shaped peninsula looks just like any other bit of the famed Hamptons shoreline. Thick woods crowd down to the water's edge, and through the trees houses and roads can be glimpsed.

But this land is not part of the Hamptons, neither is it really part of the United States any more. This patch – in the middle of the playground to Manhattan's social elite – is proudly and fiercely Native American country.

Almost four centuries since their first contact with the white man and after a 32-year court battle that has just ended in victory, the tiny Shinnecock tribe has now been formally recognised by America's federal government.

The decision means that the Shinnecock, numbering some 1,300 members, many of whom live in deep poverty compared with their wealthy neighbours, can apply for federal funding to build schools, health centres and set up their own police force. It means their tiny 750-acre reservation is now a semi-sovereign nation within the US, just like much bigger and more famous reservations in the west.

In order to qualify the Shinnecock literally had to prove that they existed, submitting thousands of pages of tribal records. It was a process that has left a bitter legacy. "Why do we need federal recognition to show we are who we are?" said Shinnecock leader Lance Gumbs as he sat in his office in the community centre. "It's a humiliating, degrading and insensitive process. Why do Indian people have to go through that? No other peoples are treated like that."

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2crooked4words; 2disgusting4words; federalaid; hamptons; nomoreindiancrpp; shinnecock; sovereign; stopthiscrpp
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To: Free ThinkerNY
” can apply for federal funding to build schools, health centres “

So we have send these grifters our tax money now?
Why???

41 posted on 07/11/2010 9:12:16 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland ("And for that matter what do we REALLY know about HereInTheHeartland?")
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To: fish hawk

Preach it.....

50% of my job is spent working on tribal affairs and Indian Health issues, and it amazes me how many people feel so strongly about this topic, and never bother to really think about it or educate themselves about it. American Indians do not get their CIBs, and then sit around and rake it in, or “live off the government teat.” They work hard and honest, pay taxes, educate themselves, all the while trying to keep their tribes intact and their culture alive.

Further, I have found them to be very patriotic people who love this country, and show it consistently every generation by serving in the military. I’ve never visited a tribal council house or community center that did not have a wall of honor for their members who have or are currently serving. All public meetings begin with CHRISTIAN prayers, pledge, and National Anthem. God help us if any federal or state meeting ever opened with a Christian prayer.

FR attitudes towards NAs are pathetic.


42 posted on 07/11/2010 9:15:56 PM PDT by Badabing Badablonde (New to the internet? CLICK HERE)
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To: MindBender26
Like Obama...........

So this is the tribe that will give us our next president....
43 posted on 07/11/2010 9:30:05 PM PDT by JSteff (((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.)))
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To: bwc2221
Who better to take land from than than liberal elitists?
I was thinking the same thing. Payback is a bitch.
44 posted on 07/11/2010 9:31:01 PM PDT by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: aquila48
Yes. I saw that. But if they took those 750 acres and actually used them for something, they could get off the government teat. Permanently.

It is the Hamptons, for heaven's sake. If each acre was sold for $250,000 (VERY conservative value there), it would yield $187.5 million. Divide that by 1300 members, you've got roughly $144K per person. That, even if invested well is enough to get each one off the government teat permanently-- especially if they use it to build cash producing businesses.

Unfortunately, it is also easy enough to p*ss away if they are so inclined.

45 posted on 07/11/2010 9:41:11 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Now, I suppose they will want membership at the Shinnecock Country Club ...

46 posted on 07/11/2010 9:41:31 PM PDT by Lmo56
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To: Badabing Badablonde
They work hard and honest, pay taxes, educate themselves, all the while trying to keep their tribes intact and their culture alive. Further, I have found them to be very patriotic people who love this country, and show it consistently every generation by serving in the military. I’ve never visited a tribal council house or community center that did not have a wall of honor for their members who have or are currently serving. All public meetings begin with CHRISTIAN prayers, pledge, and National Anthem. God help us if any federal or state meeting ever opened with a Christian prayer. FR attitudes towards NAs are pathetic.

My wife is Chippewa. I agree with everything you have said. Thank you.

47 posted on 07/11/2010 9:44:09 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Vigilanteman

“It is the Hamptons, for heaven’s sake. If each acre was sold for $250,000 (VERY conservative value there), it would yield $187.5 million. Divide that by 1300 members, you’ve got roughly $144K per person. That, even if invested well is enough to get each one off the government teat permanently— especially if they use it to build cash producing businesses.”

That’s a BIG if....

Somebody once said that if you take all the money in the world and divided evenly among everybody, within a short period of time those that were rich will be rich again and those that were poor will be poor again.


48 posted on 07/11/2010 9:47:06 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: Badabing Badablonde

NAs also send a higher percentage of our people into military service than any other ethnic group. Nobody else ever comes close.


49 posted on 07/11/2010 9:48:00 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Badabing Badablonde
Wow, I feel like printing your post out and framing it for my wall. LOL Don't get much of this on FR. Mostly its: We won, you lost, so tough it up! As far as paying taxes goes, I've paid taxes on everything I've made my whole life. The one exception is that I make Indian art, rattles, carvings from Elk Antler and deer antler and some jewelry. I only sell it on the Reservation and that is tax free. Other than that my contracting and carpentering gets taxed just like any other citizen.
50 posted on 07/11/2010 9:51:35 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: Vigilanteman

I’m for giving them all of the Hamptons area -— great “poetic justice” for all the limousine liberals who hang out there....


51 posted on 07/11/2010 9:59:53 PM PDT by Enchante ("The great enemy of clear language is insincerity." -- George Orwell --)
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To: ConservativeMind
it does appear the land grant from the mid-1800s ought to be legitimate even today. That appears to be the 750 acres they are now entitled to.

Do they owe back property taxes?

52 posted on 07/11/2010 10:01:14 PM PDT by Defiant (2010 is pretty much it, folks. Send them packing, or start packing.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

what “the Hamptons” means to me:

http://www.nndb.com/people/346/000087085/


53 posted on 07/11/2010 10:03:12 PM PDT by Enchante ("The great enemy of clear language is insincerity." -- George Orwell --)
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To: Vigilanteman

Yep, here we go. Casino resort, outlet mall, tax exempt tobacco stores. The works. All right in one of the richest enclaves in the world.
Those 1300 indians are about to become more wealthy than Saudi Oil Sheiks.


54 posted on 07/11/2010 10:23:47 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: 4buttons

I have a relative who is Lumby— a not-yet-recognized tribe from North Carolina. They are similar to the ethnic percentages you describe for eastern seaboard tribes. Their coloring is all over the map, but their culture is distinctive, they claim, due to isolation and poverty over several generations. Some of the older people have quite a distinctive accent. They are ethnically mixed, I believe, because they gave refuge to escaped slaves. I think it is amazing that, through everything, they have kept their heritage to pass on to their children.


55 posted on 07/11/2010 10:25:19 PM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: MindBender26
In the sixties the government started letting tribes reestablish them selves because they (the tribes)contented that they were unable to assimilate as fast as Europeans. The renewing of tribal status was supposed to be a temporary thing to help the tribes assimilate. With the high ratio of mixed blood in this “tribe” it is apparent that there is no need to “assimilate”. No tribe in the U.S. has sovereignty, the land is still officially federal property and the tribe can be disbanded at any time by federal law. I’m a Cherokee (Western Cherokee). Most Eastern “tribes” are so mixed they are now nothing more than social clubs with Federal benefits.
56 posted on 07/11/2010 10:59:42 PM PDT by omegadawn (qualified)
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To: One Name

Okay, they’re a soverign nation then?

What if they are invaded by Russia, Luxembourg? Do we stand by and allow an enemy of the US gain a foothold on the continent?

I would think that one test of soverignity would be to defend one’s land. They failed that test 400 hundred years ago.


57 posted on 07/11/2010 11:14:35 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (The whole truth.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

First off, you are not Indians.

Second, you are culturally distinct from all other tribes and bands.

Third, you are Native people of the Shinnecock Tribe.

I have never heard of your people nor your places.

It is right that this was adjudicated, lest your people be wiped from the face of the earth, with no chance of a historical mark, in any book.

You exist.


58 posted on 07/11/2010 11:43:17 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Enchante

Ewww...and I see she has reproduced! I’m sure her son will be a nice young man, respectful of all classes and creed.
/s


59 posted on 07/11/2010 11:57:19 PM PDT by GnuHere
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To: Badabing Badablonde; fish hawk; Eska
FR attitudes towards NAs are pathetic. Further, I have found them to be very patriotic people who love this country,

Agreed, and my experiences have been similar. I live in AK and have a number of native friends and co-workers. A close friend once told me that the worst thing whites ever did to natives was giving them welfare and establishing the BIA.

My thoughts/views on career welfare recipients are generally the same, regardless of who you are.
60 posted on 07/12/2010 12:31:02 AM PDT by proud_yank (Socialism - An Answer In Search Of A Question For Over 100 Years)
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