Posted on 07/11/2010 8:49:50 PM PDT by Lmo56
I’ve been trying to figure this out …
The 14th Amendment declares that anyone born in the US and under its jurisdiction is a citizen. But what about the children of the Russian spies, are they citizens?
Those that claim that they are citizens say that the 14th Amendment declares it so and that the only exceptions to U.S. jurisdiction are the children of ambassadors and children of enemies. But these children’s parents did not fall under those exceptions. They were not ambassadors [or have diplomatic immunity], nor is Russia a declared enemy of the U.S. They just did not properly register with the U.S. as Russian agents. Thus, the parents were illegal aliens.
If the government decides that the children of the Russian agents are not citizens because of this lack of proper registration, then are “anchor babies” of illegal aliens [mostly Hispanic] also not citizens? Their parents also have not registered with the U.S.
hmmmmmm....
Why do I suddenly start to think about Clinton FBI files?
Using the logic of the illegal Immigration Crowd,YES.
They are as much citizens as those kids that have mothers who cross the Rio Grande and go straight to a US maternity ward and give birth.
Per the liberal definition, anyone who ever thought about visiting the US is an American citizen.
These kids have American birth certificates — does Obama?
I am SURE those kids are Americans. And effectively when they deported those spies, they deported those kids.
HMMMMMM....!!! PRECIDENT..!!!!
Just what we need..!!
No, foreign spies are unregistered agents of a foreign country and their children would not be 14th Amendment citizens.
Illegal aliens are...well, they have no status, and are breaking the law. Yet their kids are US citizens if born here.
These kids have social security numbers and may even have US passports. Will the Justice Department, even if the kids are white, risk getting bad press if it tries to revoke these kid’s US citizenship?
So, my point is that without proper registration [and permission of the U.S. government] to be in the United States, are illegal Hispanic aliens defacto "spies" or "enemies"?
Seems to me that if the United States does not have the parents officially registered, then they do not have de facto jurisdiction. And by jurisdiction, I mean the obligation to afford those parents [and their children] the privileges of the State [other than humanitarian].
How so?
Not disagreeing, just want to know how you back that position up. For my education and potential usage.
Yes - they’re anchor babies.
Makes one think that maybe that law should be changed, doesn’t it?
Yes, if they were born here, they are American citizens.
Ping!
Hmmm....14th Amendment discussion from a slightly different angle.
If they were acting as agents of the Russian government and deported rather than tried, then they are immune, therefore not under the jurisdiction thereof, and neither would their children be.
So, no.
Gosh..by deporting the parents, you’d think they were BREAKING UP FAMILIES, wouldn’t you?
Gosh how sad.......
How might we remedy policy to be more CONSISTENT? How might we change things around so that it’s less ad-hoc...?
Some of the Russian agents were naturalized U.S. citizens and were stripped of their citizenship prior to being shipped back to Russia. Ostensibly because they never registered as foreign agents of Russia.
My point is that they never were legally recognized to be in the country in the first place - therefore, there should be no jurisdiction as pertains to the privilege of their children being born U.S. citizens.
And the same would go to all illegal aliens [which the Russians were]. Registration with the government is a requirement to be in the U.S. and to enjoy its benefits ...
What sort of parent leaves their children behind anyhow? It’s not as if the US government owns their children. They’re citizens of Mexico due to being born to Mexican citizen parents, if nothing else.
It’s a false emotional dilemma masquerading as a legal concern, perpetuated by the usual suspects, cheap labor advocates on the right and “postnationals” on the left.
In theory, maybe. In practice tell that to all the kids who will soon be the majority of under-18 US citizens in the US...whose parents or grandparents came here illegally.
hate to separate families ... send the kiddies back too!
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