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Senator : Resolve eligibility in court
WND ^ | July 12, 2010 | WND

Posted on 07/12/2010 7:47:07 PM PDT by RobinMasters

A Republican senator from Louisiana, David Vitter, is suggesting the dispute over Barack Obama's eligibility to be president be resolved in court.

"I support conservative legal organizations and others who would bring that to court," the Associated Press reported a video of the event revealed him saying.

Vitter becomes just the latest high-profile leader, and the first U.S. senator, to take such a strong stand on the issue.

It's also significant that the AP, which has stated publicly that the president's "birth certificate" has been made public even though the image of the document posted online actually is a "certification of live birth," which under Hawaiian procedures was available to those not born in the state, reported on Vitter's comments.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: arizona; birthcertificate; blackpanthers; certifigate; congress; eligibility; illegalimmigration; immigration; military; naturalborncitizen; obama; oilspill; palin

1 posted on 07/12/2010 7:47:08 PM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters
Just walk over to the House, Senator, and have a few of them subpoena the birth certificate. As I really can't imagine any court wanting to get in the middle of a real constitutional minefield. Congress is vested with the power to remove a president, not the courts.
2 posted on 07/12/2010 7:50:46 PM PDT by kingu (Favorite Sticker: Lost hope, and Obama took my change.)
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To: RobinMasters
So many people have tried. Citizens can't do it -- they don't have standing. Lawyers can't do it -- they don't have standing. The military can't do it -- they don't have standing. I suspect that a senator from LA won't have standing either.

The king is untouchable.

3 posted on 07/12/2010 7:55:27 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: kingu

You’re not thinking cynically enough:
The senator is saying it’s the court’s job.
The Courts are saying no person (mere citizen) has standing... and if pressed, I believe they would punt it to Congress.

Thusly both can say “I’m concerned about this and I feel your outrage but I can’t do anything.”


4 posted on 07/12/2010 7:57:16 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark; All
Let's wait until January 2011 when the new GOP Controlled Congress is seated and then let the House of Representatives tackle this.
5 posted on 07/12/2010 8:06:58 PM PDT by no dems (Palin/Jindal in 2012 or Jindal/Christie in 2012. Either is fine with me.)
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To: RobinMasters

It is just insane, isn’t it? The way they are able to hide the Long-Form? Insane.


6 posted on 07/12/2010 8:10:05 PM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Sarah Palin: America's last, best hope for survival.)
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To: kingu

“”Just walk over to the House, Senator, and have a few of them subpoena the birth certificate. As I really can’t imagine any court wanting to get in the middle of a real constitutional minefield. Congress is vested with the power to remove a president, not the courts. “”

Very good point...


7 posted on 07/12/2010 8:24:23 PM PDT by maxsand
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To: no dems

I hope so.

If you are right, it could be a SERIOUS and REAL issue for 2012.


8 posted on 07/12/2010 8:36:40 PM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters

Good luck. So far the court has ruled that no one on the face of the earth has “standing” to question The One.


9 posted on 07/12/2010 8:51:30 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The US will not die with a whimper. It will die with thundering applause from the left.)
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To: maxsand

Arizona could simply add a Quo Warranto portion to their defense and demand to see by what authority the JD under the orders of Obastard has to sue them.


10 posted on 07/12/2010 8:55:02 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The US will not die with a whimper. It will die with thundering applause from the left.)
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To: NurdlyPeon

I always thought he was hiding something on the long form. Of late, I have started to doubt one exists.


11 posted on 07/12/2010 9:01:16 PM PDT by freespirited (There are a lot of bad Republicans but there are no good Democrats.--Ann Coulter)
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To: kingu

Needs to be a USSC ruling on “natural born.”


12 posted on 07/12/2010 9:01:34 PM PDT by whence911 (Here illegally? Go home. Get in line!)
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To: RobinMasters

I predict within 45 days Obama will step down from office.


13 posted on 07/12/2010 9:02:27 PM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Arizona could simply add a Quo Warranto portion to their defense and demand to see by what authority the JD under the orders of Obastard has to sue them.

"Steve Pidgeon [and Donofrio] offers to help governor Brewer on quo warranto against obama!"

14 posted on 07/12/2010 9:07:35 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel; Blood of Tyrants

If they did help out, that would be EXCELLENT.


15 posted on 07/12/2010 9:08:43 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: whence911; kingu
Needs to be a USSC ruling on “natural born.”

The country sorely needs this to be settled. I don't care which party a candidate is from, they have to meet the Constitutional eligibility requirements, and these requirements need to be enforced, as well as taught (as they once were) in the schools.

16 posted on 07/12/2010 9:10:50 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: thecodont

If our own GOP had not been so feckless in 2008, then Obastard’s eligibility would have come up then and been dealt with and they could have made the loud and open claim and forced the courts to define “natural born citizen”. We already know that there IS a difference between a citizen and a natural born citizen because the Constitution says that only persons who were citizens at the time of the ratification of the Constitution and natural born citizens are eligible to be POTUS. Regardless of where Obastard was born, he is NOT a natural born citizen because one parent was not and has never been a US citizen.


17 posted on 07/12/2010 9:16:17 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The US will not die with a whimper. It will die with thundering applause from the left.)
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To: thecodont

agreed. The congress will not and should not do it. The resolution they passed on McCain was outside the scope of their authority.


18 posted on 07/12/2010 9:18:26 PM PDT by whence911 (Here illegally? Go home. Get in line!)
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To: no dems
Let's wait until January 2011 when the new GOP Controlled Congress is seated and then let the House of Representatives tackle this.

This is all a big red herring. We'll never know if Bukakke Hussein Osama was born in Hawaii. If he wasn't, the documents have already been forged and put into place. The political capital that the GOP has earned from Bukakke's performance to date is better used elsewhere.
19 posted on 07/12/2010 9:23:44 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: Blood of Tyrants
If our own GOP had not been so feckless in 2008, then Obastard’s eligibility would have come up then and been dealt with and they could have made the loud and open claim and forced the courts to define “natural born citizen”. We already know that there IS a difference between a citizen and a natural born citizen because the Constitution says that only persons who were citizens at the time of the ratification of the Constitution and natural born citizens are eligible to be POTUS. Regardless of where Obastard was born, he is NOT a natural born citizen because one parent was not and has never been a US citizen.

If the GOP candidate facing BO in 2008 had been (a) born of two American citizen parents and (b) been born in one of the 50 states (with authentic documentation), BO would have been blown away like a dead leaf from your car windshield.

20 posted on 07/12/2010 9:26:00 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: whence911
The congress will not and should not do it. The resolution they passed on McCain was outside the scope of their authority.

Congress has the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization.

Only God can make a natural born citizen.

21 posted on 07/12/2010 9:28:08 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: thecodont
A uniform rule of naturalization does not define the constitutional term "natural born citizen." It would define how one becomes naturalized.

IIRC from 7th grade the constitution is interpretered by the supremes. The congress would have to add a definition or examples, which I didn't see in there. So whatever we had in 2008 in Nov, would be what the supremes would consider, not congress.

22 posted on 07/12/2010 9:47:38 PM PDT by whence911 (Here illegally? Go home. Get in line!)
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To: Eye of Unk

Hmm. I’ve thought since he was elected he wouldn’t last one term. I hope very much your prediction comes true.


23 posted on 07/12/2010 9:56:14 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: kingu

Wouldn’t that be something that a Senator representing Louisiana would get revenge against Obama for his incompetent actions during the Oilspill that effected and ruined the states seafood industry and oil business. That should be enough for standing. Many were harmed.


24 posted on 07/12/2010 9:57:45 PM PDT by Retired Intelligence Officer
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To: Tailback

A forgery won’t work. There are too many people involved who know the truth, and so many other records - hundreds or more - that also have to be forged, and indexes of those records, and copies in various locations, and on and on and on. That’s why every single paper from his entire life is off limits.

Plus records from other countries, passports, etc.

There is no way all of that can be forged. One forged birth certificate will be discovered to be forged by a high school researcher, if one should show up.


25 posted on 07/12/2010 10:00:36 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: freespirited
I always thought he was hiding something on the long form. Of late, I have started to doubt one exists.

I don't doubt that it exists, this has been stated several times by the officials of Hawaii. I want to see what is on it. I believe that, most likely, it will have an attached affidavit, signed by Obamas grandmother, stating that he was born in Hawaii. That is all that is required for him to be a legal U.S. citizen, in spite of the fact that other details in their overall story don't pan out, including the fact that neither of the two hospitals he was born in have any record of the event. You can't really prove or disprove the affidavit, because granny is dead.

The problem is, Obama said that he was born in a hospital in Hawaii. He lied (big surprise there). BUT, this is the type of lie that your average Jerry Springer, National Enquirer, Obama Voting Idiot might understand and have a problem with (I know, it's Bizzaro World to me too). To me, this has never been about removing him, it's about hurting him. It's just one more little way of doing that.

26 posted on 07/12/2010 10:46:46 PM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Sarah Palin: America's last, best hope for survival.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Arizona could simply add a Quo Warranto portion to their defense and demand to see by what authority the JD under the orders of Obastard has to sue them.

Arizona's got the big balls these days. I just wonder...

27 posted on 07/12/2010 10:53:52 PM PDT by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenerio at a time.)
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To: kingu

The Senator knows the courts won’t settle the issue and so his calling for conservatives to go to court rather than using his own power to make it happen shows he is not serious. He’s just another “how can I fool ‘em next” kinda political animal. These people make me sick.


28 posted on 07/12/2010 11:11:29 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson

Wow! That makes him the highest ranking official to question the birth certificate if i’m not mistaken. Everybody knows what’s going on here, but every is so scared to say it publicly. The very price of political correctness is the U.S. Constitution


29 posted on 07/12/2010 11:18:12 PM PDT by Stop Making Cents
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To: Eye of Unk

What makes you say that? It would be great for America if that happened.


30 posted on 07/13/2010 1:23:15 AM PDT by rambo316
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To: OneWingedShark

What!? You mean the Republicans don’t really give a damn about the constitution and are just using the issue to reel in ‘birther’ votes without having to put in any effort? Say it ain’t so!


31 posted on 07/13/2010 2:21:25 AM PDT by IntolerantOfTreason (The AMERICAN President should be an AMERICAN, NOT an AFRICAN-American)
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To: Eye of Unk

“I predict within 45 days Obama will step down from office.”

Have you ever worn one of those sandwich boards that say, “The world will end tomorrow?”


32 posted on 07/13/2010 2:35:54 AM PDT by billhilly
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To: little jeremiah

Its a goal, we all need a goal, cannot win at football without a goalpost ya know!

Thats something else a lot of people have forgotten, how to set a goal, sure everyone says they have one but not a real one, a true goal is almost out of reach, requires patience and hard work and usually a lot of dedication.

We should really consider a time frame goal, seriously.

Or just continue complaining like a bunch of democrats with hangovers.


33 posted on 07/13/2010 3:25:19 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: NurdlyPeon; freespirited

On page 26 in “Dreams...,” Obama writes:

“I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It’s a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I’m left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father’s part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father’s imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents.”

Obama is refusing to release his long-form birth certificate for one of two reasons:

1. There is something on the document, or missing from the document, that Obama doesn’t want the American People to see.

2. There is no document, and the above passage is just another Obama fantasy.

There’s also this question — how did he get the driver’s license he had in Chicago and Massachusetts? He had to show a birth certificate to get a driver’s license, didn’t he?

He had to show a birth certificate to get a passport, didn’t he?


34 posted on 07/13/2010 4:21:19 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Eye of Unk

“I predict within 45 days Obama will step down from office.”

Can you get that on Intrade? I’d like some of that action.


35 posted on 07/13/2010 5:11:12 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Beckwith

“folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms,”

From where? Kenya?, UK?, Indonesia?, Canada? USA?, Mars?

I have come to believe that a USA b/c does not exsist. It’s human nature to want to prove somebody wrong and that nyou are as pure as the driven snow. I had a colleague who kept insisting there was a document to prove he was not the who screwed up...I’m still waiting a year later.


36 posted on 07/13/2010 5:21:23 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: bjorn14

So, you selected case 2.


37 posted on 07/13/2010 5:52:06 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Beckwith

>He had to show a birth certificate to get a passport, didn’t he?

Not quite, as a senator he could have had one “rushed” to him bypassing the normal requirements and wait.

>There’s also this question — how did he get the driver’s license he had in Chicago and Massachusetts? He had to show a birth certificate to get a driver’s license, didn’t he?

How do illegal aliens get driver’s licenses? How do the politically connected get ‘authorization’ to carry in Chicago?


38 posted on 07/13/2010 6:26:20 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: NurdlyPeon
I don't doubt that it exists, this has been stated several times by the officials of Hawaii.

The language I have seen has been cagey ... (e.g. "I've confirmed he was born in HI.") I havent seen any of them claim to have seen the original long form, but perhaps I have missed something.

HI is a heavily RAT state. I wouldnt put much past the RAT officialdom there.

39 posted on 07/13/2010 9:43:01 AM PDT by freespirited (There are a lot of bad Republicans but there are no good Democrats.--Ann Coulter)
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To: Beckwith
He had to show a birth certificate to get a passport, didn’t he?

I'm no expert, but when I applied for a passport in the 60s, I didn't show anything like a long form. It was a small piece of paper I obtained for the occasion from the state with my parents names and a few other details. Very little info.

40 posted on 07/13/2010 9:46:27 AM PDT by freespirited (There are a lot of bad Republicans but there are no good Democrats.--Ann Coulter)
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To: freespirited
The language I have seen has been cagey ... (e.g. "I've confirmed he was born in HI.")p>

Congratulations on making that observation; "cagey". It's like when you get a notice saying that you have almost won the $10 million. If you read it REAL carefully, you haven't won J.S.

This is what led me to my conclusions. Hawaii has said that they have a legal, proper copy, saying that Obama was born in Hawaii and was a citizen. I don't think any of them would outright purjer themselves. But they still don't tell us what we really want to know, i.e. the name of the hospital, and the signature of the attending physician and nurse. Without those two things, Obama's citizenship is still just a claim. It's legal, but still just based on a presumtion that a claim is true.

41 posted on 07/13/2010 10:07:41 AM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Sarah Palin: America's last, best hope for survival.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I was thinking along those lines too - Also, it appears that these suits are being thrown out not only because of “standing” but because there is no “injury”. Couldn’t Arizonians start a class action suit against Zero because he won’t enforce Federal Immigration laws and families of injured or murdered relations be considered “injury”?


42 posted on 07/13/2010 10:15:27 AM PDT by GYPSY286 (Politicians must USE their heads or Americans will LOSE their heads.)
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To: Eye of Unk

I agree. Some R Senators, Congressmena and Governors need to get involved.

I am sure some Dems are going to jump on the bandwagon but they are not to be trusted as their goal is the same as 0thugga’s, they just will (and some are starting no doubt) to see him as a liability, so they will want to save the Dem “brand” and stick another marxist-lite in there, Hitlery probably.


43 posted on 07/13/2010 10:19:29 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: NurdlyPeon
But they still don't tell us what we really want to know, i.e. the name of the hospital, and the signature of the attending physician and nurse.

One thing I wish more people would understand: if there is something about a candidate's personal life which the candidate would be willing to go to great lengths to keep secret, the lengths to which the person will go to keep the secret should be a major red flag regardless of whether the 'something' would otherwise matter. Why? One word: blackmail.

If someone would be willing to spend millions of his own dollars keeping a secret, what would he be willing to give a blackmailer who discovered it?

44 posted on 07/14/2010 4:26:13 PM PDT by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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To: supercat
If someone would be willing to spend millions of his own dollars keeping a secret, what would he be willing to give a blackmailer who discovered it?

Yes. I never hear that point being stressed enough. I must confess that I don't mention is enough. Thank for the reminder.

45 posted on 07/14/2010 6:02:40 PM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Sarah Palin: America's last, best hope for survival.)
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