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1 posted on 07/12/2010 7:49:04 PM PDT by george76
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Doctors are reacting to Medicare and Medicaid HAVING PULLED OUT FIRST.


2 posted on 07/12/2010 7:50:32 PM PDT by givemELL (Does Taiwan eet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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I’ve said it here time and time again. We’re a hair breadth’s away from the Feds dictating that doctors accept Medicare/Medicaid patients; no choice.

It’s coming. Mark my words.


3 posted on 07/12/2010 7:52:34 PM PDT by RightOnline
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Obviously the next step is to make participation compulsory, as we can't have all these doctors running away from public health care... How will that look when Obamacare rolls out and there's no doctors in the program?
4 posted on 07/12/2010 7:53:16 PM PDT by kingu (Favorite Sticker: Lost hope, and Obama took my change.)
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Medicaid is in large part - heathcare for illegals.


5 posted on 07/12/2010 7:53:51 PM PDT by Frantzie (Democrats = Party of I*lam)
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To: george76

These Dr’s sound like counterrevolutionary Kulaks.


6 posted on 07/12/2010 7:56:07 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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HOORAY Doctors!


7 posted on 07/12/2010 7:56:22 PM PDT by PGalt
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If their student loans are paid to date, I don’t care what they do. Unless you’re in desperate need (which most folks aren’t), doctors are little more than a transfer of wealth from the patient to the pharmaceutical company. Unless I’ve got bone sticking out or blood coming out of a hole that was there when I was born, I avoid ‘em like the plague.


14 posted on 07/12/2010 8:10:32 PM PDT by stormer
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Hmmmm....I had my annual appointment with my doc last week....I asked him what he was going to do about the “Nat’lized Health Care”....he said....”Not going to worry about it”....does not seem they are going to make docs mandatory participants.” Now, My doc, Dr. Jonathan Wright is a MD and a ND, and a researcher/publisher, etc (look up Tahoma Clinic)....and on the leading edge of “healthy” medicine for the past 30 years. He was once raided by the FDA or some gov’t entity, and HATES the FDA and gov’t. He does NOT take Medicare/Medicaid or even bill insurance....and is the best doc I’ve ever had for “prevention”....if I had a broken bone....I’d just go to the local emergency room. That said....I sure hope he is right that they will not force them into the system. He’s usually right. Docs who have relied on Medicaid, Medicare are probably part of the problem.


18 posted on 07/12/2010 8:18:13 PM PDT by goodnesswins (DEMOCRATS LOSE.....America WINS!)
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Whose right is health care? Do you think it's yours?

Congressman Anthony Weiner has said that health care is not a commodity. If it isn't a commodity then do doctors and nurses have rights? Assigning health care the status of a right makes health care workers slaves to that right who must serve it. On what ground could a health care worker refuse to provide their products and services since that would violate the patient's "basic human right to health care."

That is a direct loss of individual rights for health care providers. The collective right of the people to receive health care would supersede the provider's individual right to set fees and hours or to change their occupational status or even decide how to apply their skills and knowledge if taken to its logical extreme. A collective right, by practical definition, is a state right because it is a right that is created and given by the government to those it chooses to give it to. It is not a natural right possessed by each person protected by the Constitution from the government. It is also a collective/state right by virtue of the fact that it would supersede individual rights when the two come into conflict. How else would the government view a right that it created and administers vs. one it has no control over?

Of course it isn't stated in any bill that a patient's right to care supersedes a provider's right to set fees and hours etc, but it doesn't need to. Rights, as always, are adjudicated in the courts. The Health Care Reform bills simply establish the foundation for the courts to rule in favor of the collective right.

Weiner’s view is collectivist, fascist and totalitarian. Collectivist because it has to be described as being a right of the many instead of the one and superior due to that fact. Fascist because ultimately the sole authority for its creation and oversight is from one entity the Federal government. Totalitarian because the Federal government is the enforcer of this collective right as well. State and local jurisdictions will have little say about it.

Congressman Weiner's view is the underlying philosophy of all of the Health Care Reform legislation in the House and Senate. Consider this section in the Senate version of the bill; the setting up of community watch dogs that will monitor citizens for various health parameters. Read pages 382 - 393.

TITLE I—QUALITY, AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS pps 382 - 393

So, even citizens themselves will be subject to Federal regulations on their behavior in order to fulfill the "human right" of universal health care. It isn't the individual's liberty that is being protected by that it is the government's control over its own health care system that is being guarded. How much clearer can it be that these bills abrogate the concept of individual rights? Someone will be checking your lifestyle, according to gov regulations, to be certain you serve the best interests of the "basic human right to health care" ie. "the Public Option."

HCR is not just about rationing care and wealth redistribution. It's about the end of individual rights as the corrosive effects of the new collectivist "basic human right to health care" spreads throughout the legal and political systems like a virus.

I think that the main purpose of Health Care Reform (HCR) is as a direct assault on individual liberties.

Health Care is a Liberty Issue
Conservative Underground - 18 August 2009 - Tim Dunkin

Another Stupid Argument: Heath Care is a Right

Involuntary Medical Servitude

Obama's Authoritarian, Unconstitutional Health Care Proposal

Defining A Right In America

To Americans Who Believe Healthcare is a Right

OBAMA: HEALTH CARE DESTROYING FREE SPEECH

Mandated health insurance threatens freedom, privacy

Bad Laws and Unintended Consequences, part 1.

Obamacare Rips Doctor-Patient Relationship Apart

Second Bill of Rights aka FDR's economic bill of rights
(An early attempt to embed collective rights into American politics and society.)


21 posted on 07/12/2010 8:33:26 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: george76

Medicare and Tricare for Life (retired over 65 Military’s health ins) are next.

Seniors took the brunt of 0’nazicare.

Dems write off seniors
http://frontpagemag.com/2010/06/17/elderly-and-expendable/

NO DOC FIX FOR MEDICARE
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jun/18/senate-fails-spare-doctors-medicare-cuts/

Seniors Must Scrutinize Medicare Mailer
IBD Editorials ^ | June 8, 2010 | NEWT GINGRICH AND NANCY DESMOND

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/536677/201006081815/Seniors-Must-Scrutinize-Medicare-Mailer.aspx

“Your guaranteed Medicare benefits won’t change — whether you get them through Original Medicare or a Medicare Advantage plan.”

BTW we received 2 of those suckers.

Print the articles out and distribute them to all the seniors you know.

Report: Bill would reduce senior care Medicare cuts approved by House may affect access to providers
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/14/AR2009111402597.html

Health Reform’s Hidden Victims Young people and seniors would pay a high price for ObamaCare.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203517304574306303720472842.html

Mayo clinic stops taking Medicare patients
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=517004

Seniors’ coverage options dwindle as Medicare Advantage programs close shop
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/DN-advantage_22bus.ART.State.Edition1.3c912a9.html

Weighing Medical Costs of End-of-Life Care
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/23/health/23ucla.html?_r=1&ref=business&pagewanted=all

Survey in New England Journal of Medicine Says 46% of US Doctors Will Quit If Obamacare Passes

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2798380/shocking_survey_in_new_england_journal.html?cat=75

Slashing Medicare to pay for healthcare reform an ugly shell game
Dr. Stuart M. Shapiro,
July 27, 2009

http://www.mcknights.com/slashing-medicare-to-pay-for-healthcare-reform-an-ugly-shell-game/article/140656/

Obamacare Impact on Seniors

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2010/05/Obamacare-Impact-on-Seniors

March 28, 2010 Health law’s heavy impact Paul Guppy
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2010/mar/28/health-laws-heavy-impact/

The Senate Health Bill: Ordinary Americans Have Been Warned

http://blog.heritage.org/2010/03/17/the-senate-health-bill-ordinary-americans-have-been-warned/

Obama Names Rationing Czar to Run Medicare
by Terence P. Jeffrey
05/26/2010

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=37186
Under Obamacare, IRS Has Power to Penalize Americans Who Refuse to Buy Required Insurance
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2807832/under_obamacare_irs_has_power_to_penalize.html?cat=75
obamacare taxes on working families
http://www.atr.org/obamacares-taxes-working-families-a4745

Electronic Records to costly says doctors

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/08/health/policy/08health.html?fta=y

Employer health insurance plans likely to be altered after all

http://www.telegram.com/article/20100612/NEWS/6120334/1116


36 posted on 07/13/2010 6:31:18 AM PDT by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, retired Military, disabled & Seniors)
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Maybe if we got rid of the millions of ILLEGALS we wouldn’t have a budget problem.

Governor Perry, rid us of the Mexican parasites NOW !


37 posted on 07/13/2010 8:47:11 AM PDT by jimt
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