You wrote:
“Well, whtats what I get for asking nicely..”
Your request was simply improper.
“Your points were selective and the conclusions obtuse and childlike.... For every ‘Prtos are bad to Catholics I can find Catholics being bad to Prots...”
Not in Ireland you can’t.
“To bring it up here displays a very limited view of the whole thing.”
No, actually I just go to the heart of the matter.
“Really? Are you that uninformed or do you just want to drag out the argument?”
Neither. I said “rarely” - and I was right. Wikipedia is not the “left”. It is merely one website and just about anyone can post there just like FR.
“The left does what they always do, take a single situation and warp it around to be an example of whatever great ‘evil’ is currently spinning around their empty head... Kind of like what you’re doing.”
I am not warping anything. You are. Suddenly the left is wikipedia.
“Hmm so when Then catholic Englan invaded the Catholic france were they trying to convert them to.... Catholics”
No. Then again there was no Protestant English invasion of France, no Protestant occupation, no Protestant marches, etc.
“England wanted land, and in Ireland they had a weak neighbor with no bordering nations. Please don’t state your opinion as if it were a fact..”
What I stated was fact.
“When England first assaulted Ireland (1100) both nations were Catholic and England did it with the full authority of a Papal Bull. From then on England always had an eye on Ireland no matter what church the nation fought under.”
That is largely irrelevant to the present situation. The Dublin pale is not Belfast.
“It started 900 years ago when both peoples were Catholic...”
No, actually it didn’t. The current troubles really only started with the invasion of the North. What happened in teh South 400 years earlier was essentially imaterial. This can be seen in the fact that the Normans became Irish lords in the Dublin pale and even often learned Irish and shared the same faith as their neighbors. None of that can be said of the Scots who came to the North in the 16th and 17th centuries.
Don’t waste your brethe on the uninformed. They have their ideology and no amount of fact is going to change their views. I do wonder how they would act of their neighborhood was taken over by an invader and wonder if they wouldn’t resort to the same things the IRA did?
“No. Then again there was no Protestant English invasion of France, no Protestant occupation, no Protestant marches, etc.”
But why? I mean if England invaded Ireland primarily because it was Catholic why did they only invade France at a time in their history when both were Catholic?
“That is largely irrelevant to the present situation. The Dublin pale is not Belfast.”
It is the *foundation* of the relationship between England and Ireland. You want to ignore it because it does not support the point that this is about Evil English Prots wanting to eliminate Irish Catholics.
Everything since 1100 is a series of re-invasions by England into Ireland and it did not stop until they won over the whole island hundreds of years ago. Just because England moved away from Catholicism during the middle of that conflict does not change the reason for the conflict. This started when the Vatican gave england the go ahead 900 years ago.
Should England leave? yes
Should they have ever come? no
Did they come because Ireland was full of Catholics? no
England has warred with people of all faiths throughout her history Ireland had the unfortunate luck of sitting next door to England, nothing more.
‘None of that can be said of the Scots who came to the North in the 16th and 17th centuries.’
Not true. Read my earlier reply to you.
The fact is that Ulster now holds a considerable number of people who do not consider themselves to be Irish, do not want to be part of a United Ireland, and are prepared if neccesary to use force to prevent there being part of the Republic. So what do we do about them?