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Mel Gibson Tirades are the Distilled Violence, Cruelty, & Bigotry of Right-wing Catholic Ideology
Slate ^ | 7/19/10 | Christopher Hitchens

Posted on 07/19/2010 5:44:38 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta

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To: Dr. Scarpetta

“Chrissy Bitchens Tirades are the Distilled Violence, Cruelty, & Bigotry of left-wing atheist Ideology”...there fixed it


101 posted on 07/19/2010 8:27:57 PM PDT by KTM rider ( ..........tell me this really isn't happening ! !)
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To: MissCalico

That is an opinion about his father’s motives but Mel Gibson is the subject of the thread and the subject of the draft dodging accusation so it is irrelevant what his father did or why.


102 posted on 07/19/2010 8:31:37 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Or maybe it’s simply that Mel’s bats**t crazy. Did that possibility not occur to you, Hitch?
103 posted on 07/19/2010 8:33:08 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: metmom

When I googled Hitchens, I came across a photo of him at his baptism in 1949. All the men were dressed in military uniforms.


104 posted on 07/19/2010 8:33:14 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

LOL. Many of the so-called “ultra conservative” sect of Catholicism denies the Holocaust, are truthers on 9-11, thinks the new Mass of Vatican II is invalid, and (some of them) think the chair of St. Peter is currently vacant.

They are apparently so conservative that they’re not conservative at all.


105 posted on 07/19/2010 8:37:12 PM PDT by Antoninus (It's a degenerate society where dogs have more legal rights than unborn babies.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

I have to say, the notion of Christopher Hitchens attacking anyone for misbehaving in their personal lives is about the ultimate in hypocrisy.


106 posted on 07/19/2010 8:39:02 PM PDT by Antoninus (It's a degenerate society where dogs have more legal rights than unborn babies.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

I thought it was illegal to tape private conversations and then release them to wide media play in order to harm another person. The fact that there is no outrage at this violation of civil liberties astounds me. This fact alone suggests that a different set of standards is being applied in Mel Gibson’s case, acceptance of which could lead to future abuses.


107 posted on 07/19/2010 8:41:39 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Antoninus

Hitchens would go on to support Barack Obama, calling McCain “senile”, and his choice of running mate Sarah Palin “absurd”, calling Palin a “pathological liar” and a “national disgrace”.

...From Wikipedia


108 posted on 07/19/2010 8:43:21 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Ciexyz

It is possible that these tapes won’t be admissible in court.


109 posted on 07/19/2010 8:44:33 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: ansel12

Your last statement is true-That Mel himself was too young to be considered a draft dodger. I posted privately because my one word answer may be confusing to someone else following the thread. No big deal.


110 posted on 07/19/2010 8:47:26 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: FreeperDoll
You have a typo for the word "Freepers" on your homepage.

Cheers!

111 posted on 07/19/2010 8:48:37 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Antoninus

That sounds awfully existential. Are those folks even sure that they exist? lol


112 posted on 07/19/2010 8:53:06 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: TigersEye; ansel12
Please re-read the post. I stated my response was ONLY directed to a point in the original post where "...Mel was never in a position to be drafted..." It only turned out that way years after the move. Two other freepers basically posted my same response on this particular point. And, btw, it's not my opinion...his father intentionally, by his own and Mel's admission, moved the family to prevent his sons, including a potentially eligible Mel, from the draft.
113 posted on 07/19/2010 9:03:18 PM PDT by MissCalico
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To: MissCalico
"...Mel was never in a position to be drafted..."

That statement is true. There is no rational refutation of that.

114 posted on 07/19/2010 9:10:07 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: MissCalico; TigersEye; ansel12
moved the family to prevent his sons, including a potentially eligible Mel, from the draft.

Some of Hubby's family moved to America so they wouldn't be drafted to fight Napoleon. Were they draft dodgers?

I think that we are better off with the system that we have now. Anyone who joins is a true Patriot.

115 posted on 07/19/2010 9:10:46 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Amberdawn

Thanks


116 posted on 07/19/2010 9:13:37 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: DJ MacWoW

Well, when there is no draft, there are no dodgers. You’re right about that. It probably is better that way...as long as there’s a sufficient amount of recruits to fill the need at any given time.


117 posted on 07/19/2010 9:23:28 PM PDT by MissCalico
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Btt


118 posted on 07/19/2010 9:32:50 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: MissCalico

Yep. And children aren’t responsible for their parents actions. Before they went to Australia, I believe they went to Ireland where Gibsons mother was born. I know they ended up in Ireland at some point.


119 posted on 07/19/2010 9:34:01 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: TigersEye
"...Mel was never in a position to be drafted..." That statement is true. There is no rational refutation of that.

Are you calling Mel's dad irrational? Because there's definitely no rational refutation to that either. : )

120 posted on 07/19/2010 9:35:40 PM PDT by MissCalico
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Hitchen’s mouth should be examined for new molecules that can be used in technology development. It can withstand the spewing of so much acid and bile without burning out, it would be incredibly valuable in, say, the garbage and waste disposal industries.

The smoking, burnt-out crust of the hole that used to contain his soul is another matter, however. Perhaps it should be just buried in a landfill with a warning gate around it.


121 posted on 07/19/2010 9:36:18 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Yes, I said as much further on up the thread. : )


122 posted on 07/19/2010 9:37:54 PM PDT by MissCalico
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To: MissCalico

Vietnam was Australia’s longest war, and their draft was in full force during the Vietnam war, the draft of neither nation has anything to do with Mel Gibson, he was too young.

Hutton Gibson said that one reason he moved was an effort to keep his OLDEST son from being drafted, he did not think that the Australia draft would take that son.


123 posted on 07/19/2010 9:38:16 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: MissCalico
Well, when there is no draft, there are no dodgers. You’re right about that. It probably is better that way...as long as there’s a sufficient amount of recruits to fill the need at any given time.

Vietnam was fought primarily by volunteers, it was not a draftee military like WWII, or WWI.

124 posted on 07/19/2010 9:42:40 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: MissCalico
"...Mel was never in a position to be drafted..." That statement is true. There is no rational refutation of that.

Are you calling Mel's dad irrational?

No.

Because there's definitely no rational refutation to that either. : )

That doesn't make sense.

125 posted on 07/19/2010 9:44:15 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: TigersEye

Humor...or my attempt at such, anyway. It’s late so I’ll just sing “hello, I must be going”. It was fun freeping with you and have a good night!


126 posted on 07/19/2010 9:55:19 PM PDT by MissCalico
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To: MissCalico

Nite, MissCalico. Don’t let the pillow get away. ;-)


127 posted on 07/19/2010 9:59:49 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
This seems like an example of "the pot calling the kettle black". Hitchens appears to be projecting his own religious prejudges into Mel, with the erroneous charge Mel's obvious emotional and mental problems are the result of his Catholic beliefs.

I have been wondering since Mel's earlier arrest in Malibu if he had been placed on anti-depressive or anti-psychotic drugs to deal with the cause of his drinking and other disorders. Is it a possibility His recent bizarre, yet uncharacteristic, behavior could be the result of a reaction to these medications. He was married to the same lady for a very long time, they both are the same mother and father of a large number of decent children. He was known as a loyal family man, rare in hedonist Hollywood.

I am obviously no "shrink", just an amateur wondering.

128 posted on 07/19/2010 10:01:37 PM PDT by mstar
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To: ansel12
(oops, I forgot to hit enter on this post earlier, now I'm really hitting the hay)

No one knew how long the war or the draft would last and his sons were all close in age, so, of course he was reasonably concerned that ALL of his sons might be drafted in rapid succession. As far as the Australian draft is concerned, idk, but that's another interesting question. Did they ever become Australian citizens? The old man might have been crazy but "like a fox" shrewd. He also collected some employment disability monies from his job at the railroad, if I recall.

129 posted on 07/19/2010 10:18:08 PM PDT by MissCalico
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Given his medical condition, Christopher needs to spend more time reading the Bible than reading about Mel Gibson


130 posted on 07/19/2010 10:26:40 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

I have no idea if this man did anything or not to this young woman; however, when she hires Gloria Alread to defend; money will probably be and may be the intended and most important goal.


131 posted on 07/19/2010 10:41:54 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: MissCalico

This a weird thing that you are on, trying to create the lie that a twelve year old kid was a draft dodger, but as far as facts go, in 1968 nobody thought that the United States would still be fighting the Vietnam War in 1974 or 1975, and of course we weren’t. Your commitment to this myth creating is ugly, did you get it from Debbie Schlussel?

You did not have to be a citizen to be drafted in Australia, only a permanent resident.


132 posted on 07/19/2010 11:14:27 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

This jerk can’t drop dead fast enough.


133 posted on 07/19/2010 11:55:20 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Hitchens is a bloated, hateful windbag. One wonders if all that hatred for Christians was the catalyst for his cancer.

He has a good mind, though, which was a terrible thing to waste, and it’s definitely wasted.

I won’t wish him ill, but I wish he’d STFU and focus on his chemotherapy.


134 posted on 07/20/2010 1:17:20 AM PDT by chilltherats (First, kill all the lawyers (now that they ARE the tyrants).......)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

All atheists are brilliant, smart, intellectual, intelligent and really really bright.

Catholics, Christians or “religioinists” are bigoted, closed-minded, hateful, knuckle-dragging dolts.

And, that’s the truth.

/sarcasm/


135 posted on 07/20/2010 4:35:53 AM PDT by ripley
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To: SunkenCiv

“Right-wing Catholic Ideology” is something I have never been able to understand. I don’t see what’s conservative about claiming to be the only church. “Monopolistic-wing Catholic Idealogy” would be more accurate.

There are two kinds of churches — strong and pacifist.

Wherever the Catholic church or ANY strong church holds a monopoly, corruption seeps in. Pacifist religions can fight back a lot of corruption even with a monopoly, but they suffer from weakness.


136 posted on 07/20/2010 5:04:44 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (It takes courage to stay on Monster Ping. [Link in profile.])
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Hitchens needs help.


137 posted on 07/20/2010 5:11:00 AM PDT by eleni121 (But now, he that has a moneybag take it; without a sword let him sell his garment, and buy one.)
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To: mstar

Whatever the case, I hope Mel gets his head on straight. His reputation is shot. Forget the good fruit born by Braveheart, the Patriot, The Passion, and Apocolypto [which exposed the rubbish of how wonderful Aztecs were]. It only takes one fly of foolishness to ruin the ointmennt. In Mr. Gibson’s case, it’s a lot more than one, and the leftists are dancing on the grave of his rep.

I pray he doesn’t do anything even more extreme than he already has done. He probably needs a sebatical. He needs to get away from the news. He needs to re-read Gal. 6:12 every morning and night for a solid month: Do good things unto all people — ALL people [especially unto the Brotherhood of Faith]. More importantly, be good to all people. God loves ALL people.

And for the record — I was also a Catholic as a kid. And some creep tried to molest me. One of that creep’s friends is in prison now for child molestation [a priest], and I’m not surprised. As an adult, I went back to that church for the sake of my grandmother, and a priest hit on my girlfriend.

I dropped that stinking church for good reason. American educated priests are just as twisted as Obama if not worse.


138 posted on 07/20/2010 5:20:29 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (It takes courage to stay on Monster Ping. [Link in profile.])
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To: OldNavyVet

Probably already is.


139 posted on 07/20/2010 5:49:51 AM PDT by valkyry1
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Hitchens has a point - to a certain degree.

If anyone wants to understand Mel’s brand of “catholocism” - try googling Hutton Gibson (lots of material - have fun)
But also - spend some time with the SSPX online.
Now the Gibsons are not SSPX - but the outlook and tone is very similar.
Then google the sedevanticists. These are the “empty seaters”.
You think southern baptists dislike the pope? HA! You’ve never seen pope hatred like this!

These people have webpages and forums.

Once you spend time in their world - now consider this is the atmosphere Mel was raised in.

So I agree that Mel isn’t “just” suffering from bipolar - or alcoholism.
The answer is “all the above”
Mix a dose of mental illness, alcohol, Hollywood celebrity, plus an ubringing at the hand of Hutton Gibson?
That’s quite an explosive mix.

Hitchens can’t help himself though.
He tries to equate the Gibson brand of “catholicism” with all of catholicism. It’s what a good atheist does.


140 posted on 07/20/2010 6:01:10 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

It isn’t catholic theology at all.

They’ve actually rejected the Church they claim to believe in and have set themselves up as their own little popes.

This is what frustrates me with all these Gibson threads.

GIBSON AIN’T A CATHOLIC PEOPLE!


141 posted on 07/20/2010 6:04:42 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: advance_copy

Forgive me, I am not sure yet exactly where Aaron Burr died. I just heard about it, and didn’t even know he wasn’t feeling well.


142 posted on 07/20/2010 7:22:55 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Think about this. The Party of Constitutional Restoration. Program, Plan, Leaders, Courage.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
So sorry about yours and your wife's horrible experience with this pervert in priest clothing and his pal. Lord only knows what has been suffered by trusting innocents. Hirelings devouring the sheep.

I am not a Catholic, and was not defending any religion in my post. I believe the problem is Mel, and he is one sick cookie. I had been wondering if some recently added meds may have add "fuel to the fire" to some underlying problems. His former family life does not add up to what we are witnessing now.

Whatever is going on, He diff needs a “time out” far, far away. His current very bad fruit screams for major intervention and spiritual surgery by Jesus Christ. Hopefully for all concerned, there will be no opportunity for insane "sound bites". You are so right when you say "the left" is loving this.

143 posted on 07/20/2010 9:00:39 AM PDT by mstar
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
His reputation is shot.

The Sheriff's Dept have authenticated the CD's?

144 posted on 07/20/2010 12:23:18 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: grey_whiskers

OMG i did thankssssssssssssss Cheers!


145 posted on 07/20/2010 12:35:02 PM PDT by FreeperDoll
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
I pray he doesn’t do anything even more extreme than he already has done. He probably needs a sebatical. He needs to get away from the news. He needs to re-read Gal. 6:12 every morning and night for a solid month: Do good things unto all people — ALL people [especially unto the Brotherhood of Faith]. More importantly, be good to all people. God loves ALL people.

Good advice...

146 posted on 07/20/2010 6:38:45 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: mstar

“Cheating Mel Gibson had a string of girlfriends throughout the years”

http://www.celebitchy.com/48014/cheating_mel_gibson_had_a_string_of_girlfriends_throughout_the_years/


147 posted on 07/20/2010 6:42:52 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: humblegunner
These are the ravings of an arrogant, pampered Hollywood Huffman booze-bag.

Ping!

148 posted on 07/20/2010 6:59:31 PM PDT by Eaker (Pablo is very wily)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Sorry, I do not find "The National Enquirer" a credible source or, what is it called, "Celebitchy".

Classy
149 posted on 07/20/2010 7:54:34 PM PDT by mstar
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To: Dr. Scarpetta; Arthur Wildfire! March
He needs to get away from the news. He needs to re-read Gal. 6:12 every morning and night for a solid month

When bloody, gory movie producer Mel is studying Gal 6:10, sure hope he doesn't backtrack to Gal 5:12. Here Paul expresses his anger toward the Judaizers, who were busy pushing the "circumcision is your salvation" heresy to the Galatians.

Paul got real lovey dovey to all, when he wrote, "As for the agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate (castrate) themselves."
150 posted on 07/20/2010 8:30:01 PM PDT by mstar
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