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Augusta State Univ to Counseling Student: Change [Christian] Beliefs or Get Out
LifeSiteNews.com -- Your Life, Family, and Culture Outpost ^ | Thursday July 22, 2010

Posted on 07/22/2010 1:49:10 PM PDT by topher

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To: Vendome

Ooops.... and the school has no right to “re-educate” her or force her to accept a new belief.

They can require to abstain from “preaching” but demanding a change in belief and discussing how her re-education is going is way overboard.


21 posted on 07/22/2010 2:31:50 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome
Well... to be fair, she is in a secular environment and should couch her counseling devoid of her faith.

First, she is not counseling anyone, she is in training to be a counselor. Even people who want to be Christian counselors need training, right?

Second, there is no evidence she was witnessing. The article appears to show that she answered questions about her beliefs as it pertains to homosexuality, not that she was counseling homosexuals and trying to convert them.

Bottom line, you post makes a lot of assumptions not supported by the story.

22 posted on 07/22/2010 2:53:47 PM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: Vendome
Well... to be fair, she is in a secular environment and should couch her counseling devoid of her faith.

Apparently she did - This is a Masters program - until the issue of counseling homosexuals arose and she could not simply pretend she approved of the practice without lying.

If she wants to be a counselor for people seeking help from professionals who share the same faith then she should seek a job there.

She probably planned to do just that but she needs her degrees, first. The school is effectively denying her that unless she pretends to approve of homosexual behavior and 'counsel' homosexuals accordingly, which she cannot do in good conscience.

There is a place for witnessing and there is a place for counseling. Sometimes they meet in the same place but in a secular setting it really would be inappropriate for a counselor to couch her practice, advice or therapy with “her qualifiers”.

She wasn't 'witnessing'. She simply cannot pretend to approve of homosexual behavior and the school refuses to accept her position and insists she be 're-educated'. Granted, it appears to be a stalemate situation but the school is frighteningly heavy-handed in it's strict requirement that she accept homosexual behavior as 'normal', when it clearly is not. I hope she wins the suit.

23 posted on 07/22/2010 3:02:15 PM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: RoadTest

>> The left is always hypocritical no matter what.

To be hypocritical, I would expect some valuable relationship to support the distinction of hypocrisy. To be always hypocritical implies the elimination of any valuable relationship.

The Left is not out to maintain a compatible set of values with you - it wants to crush you. The Left is not hypocritical, the Left is antithetical.


24 posted on 07/22/2010 3:23:54 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: Jim Scott

They really really want to export her and weaken the Christian programs that take on counsellors.


25 posted on 07/22/2010 3:57:24 PM PDT by BenKenobi (We cannot do everything at once, but we can do something at once. -Silent Cal)
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To: Tzimisce

How far we’ve come, that the term can be used freely now, since we’re so “tolerant” of everything except Christianity. I wonder if we’re at the point yet where we could talk about gas chambers so openly.


26 posted on 07/22/2010 4:04:32 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: Gene Eric

hypocritical, antiethical. The two are hardly mutually exclusive, and the Left is both, plus some other bad things.


27 posted on 07/22/2010 4:31:51 PM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: chesley

>> The two are hardly mutually exclusive

As the terms are unrelated, I wouldn’t disagree.

To make my point, I wouldn’t call Hitler a hypocrite, but his character is the antithesis of all that is good.


28 posted on 07/22/2010 5:13:56 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: wagglebee; little jeremiah; WKB; greyfoxx39; Clintonfatigued; Sopater; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; ...

Not public school, K-12, but of interest to the vast numbers of religious people out there who are looking at college with their kids.


29 posted on 07/22/2010 5:35:17 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: topher

**“A public university student shouldn’t be threatened with expulsion for being a Christian and refusing to publicly renounce her faith, but that’s exactly what’s happening here. Simply put, the university is imposing thought reform,” said ADF Senior Counsel David French. **

Sounds like persecution of Christians to me.


30 posted on 07/22/2010 5:37:31 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: metmom

ARTH?


31 posted on 07/22/2010 5:39:21 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Tzimisce
Re-education camps? Where have I heard that before?

That does kind of grab one's attention.


32 posted on 07/22/2010 5:42:35 PM PDT by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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To: topher

This poor girl certainly has her house in order...not so much the people who are pushing her around. I have had it up to here with militant gays and their cheering sections of straight folk who want to seem “tolerant”.

We have even lost large chunks of our language to these fools.

Gay-used in Gone with the Wind-used to mean happy, fine time

Queen- used to mean royalty.

tranny- used to be shorthand for transmission

queer- used to mean odd.

fag- used to mean a cigarette in the UK.

And even more scary is this phrase that is all their own: Second generation gay. It means a gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender or questioning person with at least one LGBTQ parents.

I am hoping that FL continues to ban gay adoption based on the paragraph above, but who knows. We are going the way of old Rome in a hurry. Kids are encouraged to explore these days which is sick. Girls kissing girls is now sexy and ok. That never happened in my day. Guys were glad to get to second base. Third base and home runs were for couples who had been together for a while.

Lets face it, if all bets are off and everything is ok teenage hormones are going to send kids off in all sorts of direction. This young lady who takes the Bible seriously and follows Christian teachings is in for a lot more tests. Please pray for her.


33 posted on 07/22/2010 5:45:57 PM PDT by lovesdogs
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To: topher

bttt


34 posted on 07/22/2010 6:17:02 PM PDT by tutstar
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To: Steelfish
"We need to use the same Gestapo tactics that the hard left uses. Boycott, picket, publicize, report to government licensing agencies, call the local and national press, and litigate to the hilt. Simply venting our anger is pointless!

No need for that.....The Georgia legislature can simply defund Augusta State, since they are unwilling to serve the public.

35 posted on 07/22/2010 6:28:49 PM PDT by cookcounty ("Today's White House reporters seem one ball short of a ping pong scrimmage.")
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To: lovesdogs

When you’re with the Flintstones,
have a yabba dabba doo time,
a dabba doo time,
we’ll have a gay old time.


36 posted on 07/22/2010 6:36:31 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: RoadTest

Oh yeah... the horns are visible and twitching visibly.

May the Lord Jesus protect us from the vermin running our institutions of learning and govt.


37 posted on 07/22/2010 7:12:30 PM PDT by eleni121 (But now, he that has a moneybag take it; without a sword let him sell his garment, and buy one.)
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To: cookcounty

Except our state and national legislatures don’t do anything “simply” unless there is a torrent of opposition and yes, street marches.


38 posted on 07/22/2010 7:17:00 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Salvation

I informally pinged the list, which is why you got it.

It sort of doesn’t really quite qualify as ARTH, as it’s not K-12 public school and is not another reason to homeschool, but stuff like this is very useful information because of so many people looking at colleges with their kids.


39 posted on 07/22/2010 7:52:35 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: La Lydia

>>So what the school is advocating is, clearly, Orwellian double-think, the ability to hold two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accept both of them.

My first reaction on reading this was “Ah! Thoughtcrime! Doubleplusungood! Off to re-education camp!”


40 posted on 07/22/2010 8:07:30 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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