Family and pediatrician tangle over gun question

Ocala.com ^ | Saturday, July 24, 2010 | Fred Hiers

[Drango]

She should have said she was gay...then the law would require the Dr. treat her.

[gracie1]

You are correct. Pediatricians are being trained to ask these intrusive questions under the guise “health”. I suggest to find an older doc that is not indoctrinated. If you live in an area full of “bitter clingers” you can always bring up that asking such questions will not endear you to the populace and your practice may suffer for it.

[PilotDave]

Do I keep “A” gun in the house (singular).

Nope, (I have a whole damn safe full).

I also have a pool, skateboards, bicycles, vehicles, horses, and a big dog. In th ewoods around my house there are snakes, bears, cliffs, swamps, ponds and poison ivy. Next question please...

[RBranha]

"Shut up and heal, you arrogant POS."

Not trying to be a jerk, but I'd say "shut up and treat", and let God do the healing. Too many docs think *they* are the ones doing the healing.

[mvpel]

http://www.dconline.cc/SDCA_%20PB_Training2.htm - What are Professional Bouncaries

Think about the keys to what the presentation tells you about Professional Boundaries.

* The ethical considerations between you and your patient are of the greatest importance, because there needs to be trust and comfort felt by the patient.

* How a patient interprets the things you say and do is not always anywhere near what you meant to communicate.

* You as the doctor are always in the position of power and knowledge.

* The Doctor must always be in control of the emotional elements of the relationship.

* The Doctor - Patient relationship by definition is one of unequal powers.

* The Doctor - patient relationship is especially vulnerable to abuse.

* The Doctor best serves their patients by acting as advocates and fostering their patients’ rights to receive good health care.

* Doctors are expected to deal honestly with patients and colleagues, to respect their rights and to safeguard patient confidences within the constraints of the law.

* We have an obligation to honor our duty to our patient, our profession and society.

[AlmaKing]

We don’t have one either. I was wondering why so many people were worried about pediatricians.

In fact, my wife and I have enough parents who’ve had enough kids to tell us anything we need to know. Not to mention, there are 3 nurses in the family.

[LibFreeOrDie]

Not only does the American Academy of Pediatrics expect doctors to ask patients about guns, it wants parents to ask neighbors! The AAP partners with PAX, an anti-gun org.

http://www.aap.org/advocacy/PAXASK.htm

http://www.aap.org/advocacy/ASKFlyerbw.PDF

PAX’s board is full of lefty actors:

http://www.askingsaveskids.com/about/board.html

[mvpel]

http://www.jpands.org/hacienda/article14.html

Boundary Violations -— Gun Politics in the Doctor’s Office

Timothy Wheeler, MD

Imagine this scenario: you visit your doctor for back pain. Your doctor asks if you have firearms in your home. Then he announces that your family would be better off (especially your children) if you had no guns at all in your house. You leave the doctor’s office feeling uneasy, wondering what guns have to do with your backache. Does your doctor care about your family’s safety? Or instead, did he use your trust and his authority to advance a political agenda?

[grey_whiskers]

That's the right approach -- it bears a close analogy to Teh One's arrogant "jobs created or saved" -- which means, in reality, "jobs lost or prevented."

Bearing in mind the willingness of Stalinists and their enablers like Bellesiles to lie through their foul teeth when collecting data -- where are the statistics on lives saved and robberies / rapes / murders/ abductions PREVENTED by having a gun in the house, as compared to the anecdotal "guns are EEEVIL because they make my metrosexual side as a DOCTOR feel 'all isshy' "...?

Second, they demonstrate that such questions are a direct threat to your constitutional rights(*), as they will doubtless seek to deny you care or report you to "the authorities" based on you and your family being classified as "at risk"^TM -- wouldn't there be grounds for a swell little lawsuit based on "deprivation of rights under color of law" following these questions.

(*) Recall that the fictitious "right to privacy" is a penumbra from the 5th amendment, related to an elective medical "procedure" (abortion) -- so wouldn't a similar penumbra emanate from an-explicitly, verbatim amendment not invented by a bunch of perverts and scum?

Cheers!

[AlmaKing]

I don’t think people really care what training they go through. That’s not the problem they are discussing in this thread.

[Age of Reason]

Do you keep a gun in the house?

She should have ansered, "Try breaking into my house if you want to find out."

[DBrow]

That’s it, PAX! I mentioned this in #14.

A nasty concept. When I was asked PAX type questions I asked the concerned mom what household chemicals she had and whether she had a professional lifeguard at her pool. She got the idea right quick, credit to her, that household chemicals and pools kill kids at an alarming rate (yet you can order a pool without a five-day wait or background check).

[Dr.Zoidberg]

I own pistols and rifles, but not a single gun. Simply can’t afford a Howitzer no matter how hard I try to save.

SO...

No Doctor, I don’t own a gun.

[mvpel]

http://old.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel070501.shtml

Doctors have a fiduciary relationship with their patients. They are obligated to set aside personal agendas and put the patient first. Putting the patient first means that the doctor must respect boundaries in the relationship with the patient. So when the doctor makes a pass at a patient, or tries to sell her real estate, or lobbies patients against gun ownership, the doctor is committing an ethical-boundary violation. Patients notice when a doctor abuses their trust or takes advantage of their pain and fear. [For more on boundary violations by medical professionals, see Frick, D., “Nonsexual Boundary Violations in Psychiatric Treatment,” Review of Psychiatry, vol. 13, (Washington, D.C.: American Psychiatric Press, Inc.), 1994.]

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Firearms Malpractice Form:
http://www.2ampd.net/Articles/horn/Firearms%20Malpractice%20Form.pdf

[Age of Reason]

Occasionally parents ask why he's inquiring, he said, but when he explains that it's to give them safety tips, they comply, Okonkwo said.

I wonder if his safety tips include how to defend one's children from criminals?

[Gene Eric]

>> On what grounds?

Impersonating a doctor.

[Gay State Conservative]

I don’t think people really care what training they go through.

The question *was* posed.Folks are free to ignore the question...or the answers...if they wish. ;-)

[1rudeboy]

Of course. Let me know how that works out.

[mvpel]

Corrected Firearms Malpractice form link:
http://www.seizeliberty.com/Documents/Firearms%20Malpractice%20Form.pdf

[4yearlurker]

two toddlers died in backyard swimming pools this summer in the Pittsburgh area. When is that question going to make the form?