Posted on 07/29/2010 8:58:00 AM PDT by Maelstorm
Four months after President Barack Obama enacted the Affordable Care And Patient Protection Act, House Democrats have revived a top liberal priority that was eliminated from the sweeping health care law in the latter stages of a grueling year-long debate: the public option.
Armed with a new line of attack aimed at soothing deficit fears, Democratic Reps. Lynn Woolsey (Calif.), Jan Schakowsky (Ill.) and Pete Stark (Calif.) last Thursday unveiled a bill that would offer consumers the choice of a “robust” government-run insurance plan alongside the private plans in the law’s exchanges. The Congressional Budget Office projects that the bill, which has gained 128 co-sponsors, will reduce the federal deficit by $68 billion between 2014 and 2020.
“As the deficit continues to grow, so does the need for a program that can save billions of dollars and improve health care while doing it,” Woolsey, the co-chair of the progressive caucus, told The Washington Independent. “We are introducing the public option now so it will be available as a ready-made offset or deficit reducer in this or the next Congress.”
Schakowsky argues that the lower overhead costs of government plans such as Medicare would allow the public option to create a better deal for consumers. “We could offer that kind of plan at a lower cost, and it would compete with private insurance companies, who would have to be more efficient and lower their costs,” she told TWI. “It would follow the same rules as private insurers.”
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“Deficit reducer”????
These guys have no sense of irony...and no B.S. detector.
“We are plagued by a corrupt polity which promotes unlawful and/or immoral behavior. Public interests has no practical significance in everyday behavior among the ruling factions. The real problems of our world are not being confronted by those in power. In the guise of public service, they use whatever comes to hand for personal gain. They are insane with and for power.”
Im about to pop. I might have to leave FR and the news for awhile because Im getting really worked up about the state of affairs. When is there going to be some news that “common sense” has taken over again. I am not even feeling good about Nov.
control every aspect of everyone's health and eventually their life.
How is this article even remotely Independent? Umm...It kind of reads a lot like the HuffPo.
They have no sense of reality. They think they can just pass a law and make it so. Need a hip replacement? They just pass a law that says it only cost $100. Need a hospital and doctor to do it for that price? Just pass a law. In the meantime, get in line... they'll find someone to do it... now where did all the doctors go? What the hospital's closed... well pass a law and open a new one...
Ditto.
In the old days no man would allow such a theft of his livelihood.
Well, this might just make you explode. My understanding of why they are doing this is to have these bills positioned in such a way that they can be shoved through after the Nov elections.
Was in a meeting with the consultant yesterday and she was asked how Obamacare was really going to affect us. She said it was going to get bad. Said that the whole thing was designed to fail (we knew that).
What I didn't know is that the Feds will begin to tax us on the part of the premiums that our employer pays. Beginning in 2011 the Feds will "track" those amounts and then in 2012 we'll have to "report" those amounts. Whatever that means.
Wow! Sixty-eight billion out of trillions. F these people.
The only thing that is stopping an armed revolt is the hope of repeal. I’ll never comply with the Health Care plan. They can do their worst.
Carry on Comrades.
As silly as this argument sounds it provided one purpose for Obama. He got moderate democrats to vote for Obama-care based on phony made up CBO numbers. So now they think this scam will work again for the public plan. They are citing the broke (redistribution based) medicare as their model of fiscal efficiency.
November and December will be a very dangerous time for this country. Vote them out, fine, they’ll just slam through a bunch of crap before leaving town.
Like Saddam torched the oil wells on the way out of Kuwait.....
.....The RATS will leave intentional destruction in their wake.
That is the problem. They start from a false premise. There is no such thing as universal equity of outcome and it is impossible to achieve even with great oppression of those who are naturally better off than another. The qualities of resources available to different classes will always vary. Without stratification and differentiation progress is slowed especially in improving the livelihood of the poor. Today the left judge equity in terms that are impossible to achieve and would require the destruction and oppression of the most innovative, productive, and capable citizens. We saw how well this worked out in the now defunct Soviet Union.
We would not have a tenth of the technology and progress had the govt been the sole source of “innovation”.
Every one of those 128 House Democrats is in the distilled essence of douchebaggery.
“Beginning in 2011 the Feds will “track” those amounts and then in 2012 we’ll have to “report” those amounts.”
But not the union members...
Pure politics to try to get their deadbeat base fired up to vote in Nov.
Anyone who finds this surprising is brain dead.
Anyone who finds this surprising is brain dead.
In the "old" days, we didn't have a 19th amendment. Things were a lot nicer back then, huh sharon?
that’s the way I understand it and Ben Nelson’s state too, I think.
Socialism bump for later............
only way to deal with a zombie is to cave its skuil in
Just them talking about things like this will make it more likely they lose big in November.
Maybe you could elaborate?
It's about the $$$$ and control.....Always has been, always will be.
[I’ll never comply with the Health Care plan. They can do their worst.]
Dittos. Same with the 1099 reporting. I see massive non-compliance on the horizon, forcing either a massive crackdown or collapse of the system.
A little back of the envelope calculation: 30 million businesses each filing 10 new 1099s requiring one hour processing per 1099 works out to 150,000 man years of bureaucratic waste. I think that number is conservative. Who can comply with this nightmare?
The best way to kill this and other Progressive, big-Gov’t schemes?
Close down the Federal Reserve.
None of this would be possible without the Fed and their ability to print money and buy mountains of Gov’t debt. Hard currency and a market interest rate would force immediate discipline onto the Govt. Who is buying $1.4 Trillion in US Govt debt this year? Some Americans, some Chinese, and some other foreigners - but mainly, the FED is.
And that is exactly why we need to go to DC and literally take their seats away from them. I am talking about walking into the chambers, picking up the seats and walking out with them. Place them on the steps and literally take a seat and hold public court against the Congress of the USSA.
I sincerely hope that when the new Republican Majority will dismantle many of these types of enities that appear to be answerable to no one yet manage to bleed our tax dollars and economies dry. I also think that the government should review/defund most non profits as they have become mere money laundering centers. If we eliminate just this spending we could easily lower the deficit to reasonable levels.
Thus, for them to make this statement at this juncture (11 weeks or so before the election) means this is what they will be campaigning on to try to win those angry voters back.
Sure, a 100% public option is what they want, but IMO this is more about getting the base back than really being able to get what they want, especially with large numbers of Repub reps poised to infiltrate Congress.
And yes you are correct they are energizing their base, I just wanted to remind everyone that they really do mean it!
I fear sometimes at FR, we get to complacent and sluff off the Dems as crazy, when they are dead serious.
And when a hip replacement only pays $100, how many people will study to be surgeons? When an office visit only pays $15, how many people will study to be primary care doctors?
"The primary task of revolutionary struggle is to solve this principal contradiction on the side of the people of the world. It is the oppressed peoples of the world who have created the wealth of this empire and it is to them that it belongs; the goal of the revolutionary struggle must be the control and use of this wealth in the interests of the oppressed peoples of the world." "
Read the entire manifesto ....http://www.archive.org/stream/YouDontNeedAWeathermanToKnowWhichWayTheWindBlows_925/weather_djvu.txt
However, I see EVERYTHING the Dems are doing these days (Obama going on The View, for example) as geared toward winning back their base and that's all they are set on right now, regardless of whether they think they really can achieve what they are saying.
Sort of like Obama in '08 telling lie after lie to his base (we'll close Guantanamo, we'll prosecute the "torturers", we'll give no one in the middle class a tax cut, we'll draw down the troops, etc.) just to get elected with no real intention of keeping any of those promises.
They're doing the exact same thing now. Interesting thing is...a lot of these Dems are now on to them.
Oboma is out there right now claiming he and his family are suffering right along with the rest of us. In fact, he has a 4 million dollar mansion and 5.6 million in the bank. Awwww. Poor, suffering Oboma.
Oboma is out there right now claiming he and his family are suffering right along with the rest of us. He has a 4 million dollar mansion. He's worth 5.6 million dollars.
Awwww. Poor, suffering Oboma. He feels our pain (but he's not willing to spread HIS millions around so the poor can have a chance, is he?).
basically.. see we TRIED to pass the public option... the votes just weren't there.
With this much simpler one ...
I’m right with you, GoCards. I’ve been very close to composing my opus several times over the past few weeks. I just can’t stand it any more. And November? When have we found that changing the parts ever changed the overall corrupt government machine? All I hope for is to gain enough power to be able to put together some real opposition against the scoundrel(s), but who knows? They don’t seem very worried.
And then I just step back and regroup. You and I are not alone in our extreme frustration and anger. We've got to remember that we must stay focused, continue to stoke the fires of courage and resolve within us, stand united with others who are like minded, have a plan of action to seek out, support and vote for conservatives, get out the vote and do all we can as poll watchers, etc. and WIN in November. November is the summit, the hill I have to take, the measure of where I stand in this fight to save this country from socialism.
There comes a time when we must take a stand for what we believe in and are willing to fight for. I never thought that in my lifetime I would have to make a decision about what I will do to stop an enemy from within this country who is hell-bent on destroying me and the Constitution, my freedoms, culture and beliefs.I just finished a book by Hugh Ambrose about the experiences of certain soldiers who fought horrific battles on Guadalcanal, Peleliu, Iwo Jima and Okinawa, to name a few islands. My God, these men went through some kind of hell on earth to save our country and win the war in WWII, as they have in all wars. They had a job to do and they stepped up and did it.
Our time is coming when we will have to take a stand, step up and do the job as the boots on the ground in this country. Be prepared, have a plan of action, join groups/organizations of people who believe as you do, and pray for guidance and direction. I can't forget that George Washington lost many a battle with the British, until he won the war. This is my plan of action, subject to change.
The US cant even run the Post Office in black ink.
FedEx is light years ahead of it.
True they don’t send junk mail but I’m certainly willing to get rid of it.
Private schools could do far better than 99% of public schools.
And they think that the government can run health care? LOL!!
People will die like flies.
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