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Woman Kicked Off Flight After Accusing Pilot of Drinking
NBC Los Angeles ^ | 8-3-10 | TARA WALLIS-FINESTONE

Posted on 08/04/2010 8:49:31 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed

A Toluca Lake woman was recently kicked off a Delta Airlines flight after reporting that she thought she had smelled alcohol on the captain's breath.

Cynthia Angel said the incident occurred on July 19 as she was trying to travel home to Southern California from Georgia. She had just spent two weeks visiting her son, an actor, who was shooting a movie near Atlanta.

Angel, 51, said the trouble occurred after she and three other passengers had a brief conversation with one of the pilots of Delta Airlines Flight 2355. She learned later that the pilot was actually the captain of the flight.

"The flight had been delayed almost an hour," said Angel. "We were in the jetway waiting to get on the flight when the pilot walked by us and I jokingly said, 'Boy you had been here a long time.'"

Angel said the captain spoke to her and the three other passengers. After he walked away, said Angel, another passenger asked if they had smelled alcohol on the pilot's breath.

"A gentleman standing behind me asked, 'Did anyone smell that? It smelled a little like vodka,'" said Angel. "We all agreed that he did smell alcohol, but we didn't know if he had been drinking or what we should do about it."

Angel said she volunteered to talk with the head flight attendant once aboard the plane.

"I told her that I didn't know what protocol is, but I believe I smelled alcohol on one of the pilots' breath," said Angel.

Angel said the flight attendant immediately talked to another pilot who was in the cockpit getting ready for departure.

"He asked me to come inside the cockpit, where he shut the door and asked me about my conversation with the pilot in the jetway," said Angel. "I told him what I had told the flight attendant; that other passengers and I thought we had smelled alcohol on the pilot's breath."

Angel said the pilot informed her that it was the captain of the flight who spoke with her. He assured her that the captain had not been drinking.

"He said he had been with the captain for several hours before the flight," said Angel. "I was satisfied with the pilot's explanation, thanked him and returned to my seat."

But Angel said that 20 minutes later, a Delta Airlines manager came aboard the flight and asked her to follow him off the plane.

"The manager wanted to hear what I had told the flight attendant," said Angel. "He then told me the captain took a test that proved he did not have anything to drink."

Angel said the manager then thanked her and she returned to her seat on the plane. At this point, she thought it was over.

"About 20 minutes later, the Delta manager returned with a female colleague and they asked me to gather my belongings and follow them off the flight," said Angel. "I was so embarrassed."

Angel said she followed them back into the airport. She was lead into a nearby office where she was told again that the pilot had tested negatively for alcohol.

"They told me they take these accusations very seriously and that the captain and his crew did not want me on his flight," said Angel.

Angel said Delta gave her meal and hotel vouchers, and said she could come back in the morning to take another flight back to Los Angeles.

"All I did was voice my concerns," said Angel. "I wasn't a threat to anyone and for them to remove me was wrong."

"I understand airlines have to have protocol," said Mark Silverman, Angel's Beverly Hills-based attorney who Angel contacted to look into the incident.

Silverman said his office has called and written Delta Airlines for a response and to ask the airline to open an investigation into the incident.

"She was just trying to be a good citizen. You'd think Delta would thank her for her concern," he said.

NBCLA also contacted Delta Airlines for comment. Susan Elliott from Delta's corporate communications office sent this response via e-mail: "Once we have reviewed Mrs. Angel's letter and investigated her claims, we will follow-up with her on our findings."

"Making drinking accusations against pilots is a serious matter," said Ross Aimer, CEO of Aviation Experts, LLC.

"If you think someone is drunk, you owe it to yourself, your loved ones and other passengers to report it," said Aimer, who is also a retired United Airlines captain. "However, in this case, because the captain had not been drinking, Delta made the right decision by asking her to leave the plane."

Aimer explains that in situations like this, flights usually end up delayed or canceled because the captain will take himself off the flight.

"It's an either you or me situation," said Aimer. "She had to go because the captain has his crew and hundreds of other passengers to think about."

Aimer adds that if he found himself in a similar situation, he'd do the same thing.

"The issue of pilots and drinking has become a very big deal, and accusations like that could end your career," Aimer said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airlines; delta; drunk; flying; northworst; nwa
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To: La Lydia

She slandered him to his co-pilot and his employer.


You don’t understand the law of defamation. It requires more than merely saying something that is wrong and harmful.


41 posted on 08/04/2010 10:05:14 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Anything worth doing, is worth doing badly at first.)
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To: doublecansiter

“What the Pilot should have done is come back to her seat
shook her hand and said “Well Done”. Had he done that, this
would not even be a story.”

Exactly. She now is the one that can sue the airline and Delta Airlines takes a hit. People will only remember that Delta had a drunk pilot and tried to shut a person up for saying so, even if the pilot was not drunk the story will still be remembered that way.


42 posted on 08/04/2010 10:07:34 AM PDT by CodeToad ("Idiocracy" is not just a movie.)
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To: CodeToad

43 posted on 08/04/2010 10:08:39 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Anything worth doing, is worth doing badly at first.)
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To: Beelzebubba

Yes, I am just a dumb$hit. Know nothing about the law. Uh huh.


44 posted on 08/04/2010 10:13:49 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: None
This report lacks a fundamental detail, these ladies were talking to this man and they have nothing to report on him besides a suspicion of smell. Clueless housewives, with little or no barstool exp. acting as the 'alcohol police' is whats wrong with this story.

Behaviour along with strong suspicion, not suspicion of smell alone, would lead me to make such a report.
45 posted on 08/04/2010 10:29:41 AM PDT by Sporaticus
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To: La Lydia

Yes, I am just a dumb$hit. Know nothing about the law. Uh huh.


No, but you are way off on the prospects for a defamation action. Ask any qualified lawyer.


46 posted on 08/04/2010 10:31:39 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Anything worth doing, is worth doing badly at first.)
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To: La Lydia

“I believe I smelled alcohol on one of the pilots’ breath,””

That is not slander.

“The pilot is a drunk”, would be slander.


47 posted on 08/04/2010 10:43:05 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Political correctness in America today is a Rip Van Winkle acid trip.)
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To: Beelzebubba

Too bad he wasn’t Foster Brooks:-)


48 posted on 08/04/2010 10:44:59 AM PDT by geege
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To: doublecansiter

Accusing an airline pilot of drinking REQUIRES a test, and guarantees a significant delay. There are NUMEROUS other opportunities to catch offenders. When passengers start doing this on their own. you can kiss goodbye ever arriving at your destination. It is the equivalent to saying the wood “bomb.”


49 posted on 08/04/2010 11:21:58 AM PDT by Tzfat
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To: CodeToad

Try that next time you fly.


50 posted on 08/04/2010 11:25:37 AM PDT by Tzfat
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To: Northern Yankee

She said she was satisfied with the First Officer’s explanation. At that point it’s over. This is just jackbooted thuggery. Next time it might be you.


51 posted on 08/04/2010 11:33:46 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Joe 6-pack

I got a cousin like that. I don’t know how her husband can live with her. Oh that’s right he don’t, he keeps an apartment 250 miles away in Houston.


52 posted on 08/04/2010 11:55:41 AM PDT by valkyry1
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To: Beelzebubba

He could have been drinking the night before and that is what she smelled.


53 posted on 08/04/2010 11:57:11 AM PDT by valkyry1
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To: valkyry1

If he’s willing to live in Houston rather than with his wife, she must be bad!


54 posted on 08/04/2010 11:58:20 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Republic of Texas

There is no end to the stunts she will pull, and they come out of the blue.

But in her mind she is the fairy white princess on her winged horse, the benevolent dictator.


55 posted on 08/04/2010 12:11:35 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: Tzfat

Be more than happy to. I am a pilot and wouldn’t hesitate to call the local FAA FSDO and Sheriff’s office, who does have authority in the matter.


56 posted on 08/04/2010 12:36:44 PM PDT by CodeToad ("Idiocracy" is not just a movie.)
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To: edcoil

Cheap Vodka has a Very Strong odor.


57 posted on 08/04/2010 12:46:02 PM PDT by plinyelder ("I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: CodeToad
I've been an airline pilot for 29 years. Attitudes like yours would bring passenger service to a screeching halt.

As this women discovered, we take accusations like hers very seriously. I know of no airline pilot that would continue the trip if accused of having alcohol on his breath. Open your smart mouth, and you won't be proceding to your destination.

Airline pilots are the most closely regulated profession in the U.S. We are randomly checked for alchohol and drugs, as well as checked every 6 months. Unlike the medical profession, we also do a remarkable job of self-policing with professional standards units at every major airline.
58 posted on 08/04/2010 12:46:09 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: CodeToad

“She now is the one that can sue the airline..”

Sue for what?


59 posted on 08/04/2010 1:06:49 PM PDT by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: CodeToad

“I am a pilot...”

I take it you are not a commercial pilot. Different story.


60 posted on 08/04/2010 1:11:27 PM PDT by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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