Sorry, I couldn’t follow the link at work to the rest of what passes for an opinion. Here is a repeat of what I have put forward to briefly slap down the promotion of a mental disorder:
“The trap is to agree to the underlying premise in the first place. Homosexuality is a behavior, not an identity. By failing to understand this, you build your argument on a falsehood to begin with. The examples of the recent court custody fights between states are a perfect illustration. In these fights one half of a lesbian couple leaves the lifestyle and gets married to men. They then don’t want to share custody with the former female partner.
So how can it be an identity if you are “gay” on Monday and “straight” on Friday?
The core problem is that homosexuality is a disorder. It is an aberration of the normal. Sorry, facts are stubborn things. The judge in this case suffers from the disorder and should have recused himself from the case to begin with. Many gays become ex-gays over time and NARTH and other organizations can help.
This ruling should be overturned, but with the current lack of thinking among people, it is doubtful it will be. Regardless, the homosexuals who “marry” will not be married. Marriage is between a man and a woman. No one is denied that.”
Whats wrong with lowering the age of consent to 13? Whats wrong with a guy marrying his African Gray? Whats wrong with necrophelia?
The Bible clearly condemns sodomy and calls it sin. The gay agenda includes making the Bible illegal as "hate speech.”
Do you have children/grandchildren? The LAW will require your kindergartners to learn gay lifestyles as normal. You don't think sympathy for homosexual pedophile behavior isn't around the corner?
Guess what? If anyone in your family wants to have a child adopted, the gay agenda includes FORCED ADOPTION into gay families.
This is only the beginning. It’s a parade of horribles and a slippery slope that doesn't end until you reach Hades.
What is wrong with it? It is depraved. That is what is wrong with it.
We have a souless electorate now thanks to the Lord being removed from our foundation. We will see more and more of this thinking.
My question to the author would be: Why does he think it’s ok?
The civil liberties are not the issue.
I grew up as a Catholic and was taught about the seven sacraments:
Baptism, Confirmation, Confession, Holy Communion, Holy Matrimony, Holy Orders, and Extreme Unction.
The belief is that a marriage is as sacred as one who accepts their role in Holy Orders as a priest or nun. Holy Matrimony is as sacred as confirming your faith, or being baptized. These sacraments help to build our path to salvation.
Isn’t this very disrespectful to those of Christian faith to strip away what we hold holy?
I got a divorce in the early 70s and felt that I was excommunicated from the Catholic Church. Instead of griping about my woes and trying to change a RELIGION, I changed my belief system and have followed another religion that is close to Catholic. My point is who am I to challenge a sacrament? What gives someone else the right to change a sacred event to fit their ego?
I have no problem with civil unions. I have a problem with disrespecting the sacrament of matrimony.
They say they are being denied the right to marry because they engage in homosexual acts.
But two men who engage in heterosexual acts can't marry each other either.
Besides, this is not about marriage or rights or any of that other crap they spew. That is all diversion. This is about destroying morality and standards.
This is about destroying this country from within. Rome-style.
The ironic thing is, if this country ever is destroyed, odds are it will be Islam that will take over.
And I'm not 100% sure how Islam views homosexuality but I have a feeling it's not quite as understanding as the current climate is.
“I am a conservative Republican. I believe in lower taxes, securing our borders, and protecting our country and our Constitutional rights. I support our troops and take pride in the foundation America was built. I own guns, and I know how to aim…accurately. I want our country to thrive, I want our economic hardships to cease. I want my kids to enjoy a solid future and not owe the government for the entirety of their lives. I want Reagan to be reincarnated, dang it.”
GAIN THE WHOLE WORLD BUT LOSE YOUR SOUL FITS THIS POST. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT ABORTION??
Every American adult has always had the right to marry one consenting adult of the opposite sex, regardless of his or her sexual orientation. By instituting gay marriage, we have set a precedent for ANY group to redefine marriage to make it more in line with their subjective sexual tastes.
That which violates the rights of others may rightfully be prohibited. That which does not may not. That is the invariant, universal principle of Liberty that applies to everyone, everwhere, on all subjects, in all situations and contexts.
This world is made up of too much hate and entitlement and what’s in-it-for me. When debate surrounds itself around people who love each other and want to be able to be married, I find it a shame. Terrorists, murderers, baby-rapists….they don’t deserve the air we breathe.Gays and lesbians…let them be in love and marry if they choose. Life could embrace a lot more happiness and neighborly respect if so.
It’s all about good people, legal citizens, who want free choice in their personal relationships and life stature. This is what America is about.
VOMIT
Just what is next? Marriage between man and animal? Man and child? It begins to become blurred...
What if you want to marry a horse? How about my daughter, or sister? Are you ok with that too?
They want in because they make $$$.
License (state/local level)...and have you noticed, HIGHER FEDERAL TAXES for most incomes.
Let's go back to our churches/synagues and pay the preacher/rabbi...
the government can suck eggs.
Standards of truth in court proceedings could be done away with and we could have people like you simply render the verdict that seems right to them without any laws or rules of evidence to stand in the way of how they feel!
Frankly, ALL of this right vs. wrong stuff is so old-fashioned. Most of it is based on the laws of that Judeo-Christian god who always seems to want to stop us from just having fun ...you know, fun with a man or fun with a woman or fun with the neighbor's dog. That dog just seems to love everybody, now doesn't he? Isn't love the standard that you believe should be codified into law? Not some silly, ancient notion of traditional marriage providing the building blocks of civilization.
So, brothers and sisters love each other, right? Why shouldn't they marry? My 8 year old daughter loves Justin Bieber. Why shouldn't they marry? How about group marriage? Many wonderful cultures have allowed polygamy. Why can't entire communities, nay, COUNTRIES get married?
I'll tell you what, Angi with an "i", let's try an experiment. The US will stay with traditional one man-one woman marriage. You get to choose another country and allow your yardstick of love to dictate who marries whom, and we'll see which nation survives.
OK. Off you go. Bye.
If you believe a man and woman are different then you can not believe that gay marriage is the same as a traditional marriage. A man can not possibly possess the characteristics of a woman and a woman can not possess the characteristics of a man. If they are interchangeable no transgenders surgeries would be needed. Therefore, gay marriage and traditional marriage can never be equal.
But you don’t have a problem with a sliver of society forcing the change of marriage between a man and a woman, to marriage to man on man or woman on woman, although a huge majority object?j
I have problems with it for other reasons, but this one reason alone should be enough.
It will be interesting to see how the gay community reacts the first time two straight men come together and announce that they are entering into a now legal marriage contract for the sole purpose of claiming the marital financial benefits. Especially if they announce, “hell no we’re not gay. I just want on his insurance.”
The University of Alabama-Birmingham began offering same sex couples access to health benefits. Almost immediately, they began finding heterosexual staff members moving in, living as platonic roommates and claiming domestic partner status.
They tried to force the couples to sign a statement that they were indeed engaged in a sexual relationship, which opened a whole can of worms as you can imagine.
So leaving the religious and moral arguments out of it for a moment, you have now opened up this specific legal contract to a whole new realm that will be impossible to regulate.
Can you discriminate between two hetero males just wanting additional benefits and a committed gay couple? If not, what exactly has marriage become? The entire social reasoning behind marriage will break down.
“As for gay and lesbian marriage. What is wrong with it? Really.”
Because it legitimizes the unspeakable perversion that homosexuals engage in. Maybe the author should read these facts?
The Statistics on Homosexuality and its Effects
Some statistics about the Homosexual lifestyle:
•One study reports 70% of homosexuals admitting to having sex only one time with over 50% of their partners (3).
•One study reports that the average homosexual has between 20 and 106 partners per year (6). The average heterosexual has 8 partners in a lifetime.
•Many homosexual sexual encounters occur while drunk, high on drugs, or in an orgy setting (7).
•Many homosexuals don’t pay heed to warnings of their lifestyles: “Knowledge of health guidelines was quite high, but this knowledge had no relation to sexual behavior” (16).
•Homosexuals got homosexuality removed from the list of mental illnesses in the early 70s by storming the annual American Psychiatric Association (APA) conference on successive years. “Guerrilla theater tactics and more straight-forward shouting matches characterized their presence” (2). Since homosexuality has been removed from the APA list of mental illnesses, so has pedophilia (except when the adult feels “subjective distress”) (27).
•Homosexuals account for 3-4% of all gonorrhea cases, 60% of all syphilis cases, and 17% of all hospital admissions (other than for STDs) in the United States (5). They make up only 1-2% of the population.
•Homosexuals live unhealthy lifestyles, and have historically accounted for the bulk of syphilis, gonorrhea, Hepatitis B, the “gay bowel syndrome” (which attacks the intestinal tract), tuberculosis and cytomegalovirus (27).
•73% of psychiatrists say homosexuals are less happy than the average person, and of those psychiatrists, 70% say that the unhappiness is NOT due to social stigmatization (13).
•25-33% of homosexuals and lesbians are alcoholics (11).
•Of homosexuals questioned in one study reports that 43% admit to 500 or more partners in a lifetime, 28% admit to 1000 or more in a lifetime, and of these people, 79% say that half of those partners are total strangers, and 70% of those sexual contacts are one night stands (or, as one homosexual admits in the film “The Castro”, one minute stands) (3). Also, it is a favorite past-time of many homosexuals to go to “cruisy areas” and have anonymous sex.
•78% of homosexuals are affected by STDs (20).
•Judge John Martaugh, chief magistrate of the New York City Criminal Court has said, “Homosexuals account for half the murders in large cities” (10).
•Captain William Riddle of the Los Angeles Police says, “30,000 sexually abused children in Los Angeles were victims of homosexuals” (10).
•50% of suicides can be attributed to homosexuals (10).
•Dr. Daniel Capron, a practicing psychiatrist, says, “Homosexuality by definition is not healthy and wholesome. The homosexual person, at best, will be unhappier and more unfulfilled than the sexually normal person” (10). For other psychiatrists who believe that homosexuality is wrong, please see National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality.
•It takes approximately $300,000 to take care of each AIDS victim, so thanks to the promiscuous lifestyle of homosexuals, medical insurance rates have been skyrocketing for all of us(10).
•Homosexuals were responsible for spreading AIDS in the United States, and then raised up violent groups like Act Up and Ground Zero to complain about it. Even today, homosexuals account for well over 50% of the AIDS cases in the United States, which is quite a large number considering that they account for only 1-2% of the population.
•Homosexuals account for a disproportionate number of hepatitis cases: 70-80% in San Francisco, 29% in Denver, 66% in New York City, 56% in Toronto, 42% in Montreal, and 26% in Melbourne (8).
•37% of homosexuals engage in sadomasochism, which accounts for many accidental deaths. In San Francisco, classes were held to teach homosexuals how to not kill their partners during sadomasochism (8).
•41% of homosexuals say they have had sex with strangers in public restrooms, 60% say they have had sex with strangers in bathhouses, and 64% of these encounters have involved the use of illegal drugs (8).
•Depending on the city, 39-59% of homosexuals are infected with intestinal parasites like worms, flukes and amoebae, which is common in filthy third world countries (8).
•The median age of death of homosexuals is 42 (only 9% live past age 65). This drops to 39 if the cause of death is AIDS. The median age of death of a married heterosexual man is 75 (8).
•The median age of death of lesbians is 45 (only 24% live past age 65). The median age of death of a married heterosexual woman is 79 (8).
•Homosexuals are 100 times more likely to be murdered (usually by another homosexual) than the average person, 25 times more likely to commit suicide, and 19 times more likely to die in a traffic accident (8).
•21% of lesbians die of murder, suicide or traffic accident, which is at a rate of 534 times higher than the number of white heterosexual females aged 25-44 who die of these things(8).
•50% of the calls to a hotline to report “queer bashing” involved domestic violence (i.e., homosexuals beating up other homosexuals) (18).
•About 50% of the women on death row are lesbians (12).
Homosexuals prey on children.
•33% of homosexuals ADMIT to minor/adult sex (7).
•There is a notable homosexual group, consisting of thousands of members, known as the North American Man and Boy Love Association ( NAMBLA). This is a child molesting homosexual group whose cry is “SEX BEFORE 8 BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE.” This group can be seen marching in most major homosexual parades across the United States.
•Homosexuals commit more than 33% of all reported child molestations in the United States, which, assuming homosexuals make up 2% of the population, means that 1 in 20 homosexuals is a child molestor, while 1 in 490 heterosexuals is a child molestor (19).
•73% of all homosexuals have had sex with boys under 19 years of age (9).
•Many homosexuals admit that they are pedophiles: “The love between men and boys is at the foundation of homosexuality” (22).
•Because homosexuals can’t reproduce naturally, they resort to recruiting children. Homosexuals can be heard chanting “TEN PERCENT IS NOT ENOUGH, RECRUIT, RECRUIT, RECRUIT” in their homosexual parades. A group called the “Lesbian Avengers” prides itself on trying to recruit young girls. They print “WE RECRUIT” on their literature. Some other homosexuals aren’t as overt about this, but rather try to infiltrate society and get into positions where they will have access to the malleable minds of young children (e.g., the clergy, teachers, Boy Scout leaders, etc.) (8). See the DC Lesbian Avengers web page, and DC Lesbian Avengers Press Release, where they threaten to recruit little boys and girls. Also, see AFA Action Alert.
The homosexual agenda.
•The homosexual agenda includes desensitizing the public: “The first order of business is desensitization of the American public concerning gays and gay rights.....To desensitize the public is to help it view homosexuality with indifference instead of with keen emotion. Ideally, we would have straights register differences in sexual preferences the way they register different tastes for ice cream or sports games....At least in the beginning, we are seeking public desensitization and nothing more. We do not need and cannot expect a full ‘appreciation’ or ‘understanding’ of homosexuality from the average American. You can forget about trying to persuade the masses that homosexuality is a good thing. But if only you can get them to think that it is just another thing...then your battle for legal and social rights is virtually won” (25).
•Part of the homosexual agenda is to get the public to affirm their filthy lifestyle, as one homosexual admitted in the October 1987 homosexual rally on Washington: “We are no longer seeking just a right to privacy and a protection from wrong. We also have a right — as heterosexual Americans already have — to see government and society affirm our lives” (27).
•Part of the homosexual agenda is to turn people from Christianity: “The teaching that only male-female sexual activity within the bounds and constraints of marriage is the only acceptable form should be reason enough for any homosexual to denounce the Christian religion” (1).
•Homosexuals knowingly lied (and still lie) about the 10% figure (i.e., homosexuals make up 10% of the population). As Tom Stoddard (formerly of the Lambda Legal Defense Fund) said, “We used that figure when most gay people were entirely hidden to try to create an impression of our numerousness” (17).
The true number of homosexuals.
•The Kinsey study of 1948, which homosexuals often cite to say that 10% of the population is homosexual, actually says that only 4% of the population is EXCLUSIVELY homosexual. This study involved a disproportionate number of people who had been in jail for sex crimes (hardly a random sample of the population). Kinsey also did perverse studies involving young boys and pedophiles. Information on Kinsey.
•Current research shows that the true percentage of homosexuals is in the 1-2% range (15,23,26,28). Consider how small this number is when compared to most of the numbers above.
Homosexuals aren’t discriminated against in employment, so why should they be a protected class?
•The average yearly income of a homosexual is $55,430.00 (most of which is disposable because no children to take care of!). The average of the general population is $32,144.00. The average of blacks is $12,166.00 (24).
•59.6% of homosexuals are college graduates. 18.0% of the general population are college graduates (24). Too bad they aren’t smart enough to listen to God. “Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools” (Romans 1:22).
•49.0% of homosexuals hold professional/managerial positions. 15.9% of the general population hold such positions (24). Where’s the job discrimination?
Sexual Orientation
•A phrase that has come up recently in this earth is “sexual orientation.” This is a phrase made up by homosexuals to try to make themselves look less filthy than they really are. The purpose of the phrase is to take the spotlight from what these perverts do, and put it on the notion that they are just poor, mistreated people, who simply are attracted to members of the same sex - as if they aren’t engaging in activity forbidden by God Almighty. “Sexual orientation,” as used today, has nothing to do with sexual activity (yeah, right), but only refers to who or what a particular person is attracted to. If you think that people of other “sexual orientations” are just fine, let’s see what other “sexual orientations” you would necessarily have to accept as wholesome and pure. If you’re not going to discriminate based on “sexual orientation”, then you must not discriminate against any of the following. If you discriminate against any of these, you’re a hypocrite. These “sexual orientations” are generally known as “paraphilias”, and are mental disorders - just like homosexuality used to be (29).
REFERENCES
(1) Advocate, 1985.
(2) Bayer, R. Homosexuality and American Psychiatry.
(3) Bell, A. and Weinberg, M. Homosexualities: a Study of Diversity Among Men and Women. New York: Simon & Schuster, 1978.
(4) Cameron et. al. ISIS National Random Sexuality Survey. Nebraska Med. Journal, 1985, 70, pp. 292-299.
(5) “Changes in Sexual Behavior and Incidence of Gonorrhea.” Lancet, April 25, 1987.
(6) Corey, L. and Holmes, K. “Sexual Transmission of Hepatitis A in Homosexual Men.” New England J. Med., 1980, pp. 435-38.
(7) Family Research Institute, Lincoln, NE.
(8) Fields, Dr. E. “Is Homosexual Activity Normal?” Marietta, GA.
(9) Jay and Young. The Gay Report. Summit Books, 1979, p. 275.
(10) Kaifetz, J. “Homosexual Rights Are Concern for Some,” Post-Tribune, 18 December 1992.
(11) Kus, R. “Alcoholics Anonymous and Gay America.” Medical Journal of Homosexuality, 1987, 14(2), p. 254.
(12) Lesbian News, January 1994.
(13) Lief, H. Sexual Survey Number 4: Current Thinking on Homosexuality, Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality, 1977, pp. 110-11.
(14) Manlight, G. et. al. “Chronic Immune Stimulation By Sperm Alloantigens.” J. American Med. Assn., 1984, 251(2), pp. 237-438.
(15) Morton-Hunt Study for Playboy
(16) MsKusick, L. et. al. “AIDS and Sexual Behavior Reported By Gay Men in San Francisco.” Am. J. Pub. Health, 1985, 75, pp. 493-96.
(17) Newsweek, February 1993.
(18) Newsweek, 4 October 1993.
(19) Psychological Reports, 1986, 58, pp. 327-37.
(20) Rueda, E. “The Homosexual Network.” Old Greenwich, Conn., The Devin Adair Company, 1982, p. 53.
(21) San Francisco AIDS Foundation, “Can We Talk.”
(22) San Francisco Sentinel, 27 March 1992.
(23) Science Magazine, 18 July 1993, p. 322.
(24) Statistical Abstract of the U.S., 1990.
(25) “The Overhauling of Straight America.” Guide Magazine. November, 1987.
(26) United States Census Bureau
(27) United States Congressional Record, June 29, 1989.
(28) University of Chicago’s Nation Research Corp.
(29) Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders Fourth Edition, American Psychiatric Association, 1994.
© 2000- 2003 International Organization of Heterosexual Rights
Support gay marriage if you want, though don’t fool yourself into thinking it is in any way a conservative view.
But forget all of that, the key question for you is whether or not you believe that if the state recognizes traditional marriage, must it do the same for gay unions? Do you think the Constitution requires this? Do you think that the Sup Court should impose recognition of gay unions on the entire nation?
This is the key question; not whether or not one supports gay marriage, but rather if one believes it is a Constitutional right that should be imposed by the judiciary on an unwilling public?
If you do support such action from the courts, then you are a supporter of the absurd “living Constitution” method of constitutional interpretation, and as such should not complain when the courts issues other outrageous rulings that spring from the same mindset.
Rome. They rotted from within. And if anyone thinks immorality is no big deal then they are part of the problem.