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ObamaCare and the Constitution—An Update (no severability clause in it!)
WSJ ^ | 8/4/10 | BETSY MCCAUGHEY

Posted on 08/07/2010 4:39:56 PM PDT by Daisyjane69

Last November, a reporter asked House Speaker Nancy Pelosi if it was constitutional for Congress to require Americans to buy health insurance. Ms. Pelosi responded, "Are you serious?"

On Monday, U.S. District Judge Henry Hudson got serious. He denied Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius's motion to dismiss a lawsuit brought by the state of Virginia challenging the new health law. His ruling stated that it is far from certain Congress has the authority to compel Americans to buy insurance and penalize those who don't.

Judge Hudson's ruling paved the way for a trial to begin on October 18, with possible appeals all the way to the Supreme Court, a lengthy process. Some states will likely delay creating insurance exchanges and slow down other costly preparations for ObamaCare until its constitutionality is determined by this case.

If mandatory insurance is declared unconstitutional, the entire health law could collapse like a house of cards. Most complex legislation states that if one part of the law is struck down, other parts remain enforceable. But authors of ObamaCare chose to omit that clause, suggesting that the health overhaul won't work without mandatory insurance.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: constitution; obamacare
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To: Daisyjane69
Careful what you say!

Buttock cracks are subject to oozing. I had a pylonidal cyst and they had to operate. Given that the law was passed by a bunch of a$$ holes there's no telling what will come to pass.

I saw a car on the way to the Minot airport and the license plate was "POOPSIE". Given the Conservative nature of "Daks" I wonder....

21 posted on 08/07/2010 5:40:42 PM PDT by Young Werther ("Quae cum ita sunt" Since these things are so!)
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To: wiggen

As I am going back and reading things, here’s what it looks like:

Evidently, it was in the original House bill. Seems like it was not in the Christmas Eve Senate bill. BUT...remember the little game that Pelosi pulled in order to avoid the bill going back to the Senate to be filibustered (this time, including Scott Brown): She kept the House bill # the same (to get around the “spending bills must originate in the House” thing) but yanked ALL the language of the bill the House passed, and substituted of the Senate bill in it’s entirety. And that is what the House voted on...the language that omitted the severability clause.

LOL !!!!


22 posted on 08/07/2010 5:42:38 PM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: Daisyjane69

There’s real hope then. I am hopeful they won’t be able to attach that language at this time and certainly not after the new congress is sworn in.


23 posted on 08/07/2010 5:53:18 PM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: SkyDancer

“....the Supreme Court has shifted to Liberals with Kagan....”

Nah. It’s a wash. The equation is still the same as it was. It’s just a player substitution. As another contributor mentioned, it all comes down to Kennedy.


24 posted on 08/07/2010 5:55:12 PM PDT by Habibi ("It is vain to do with more what can be done with less." - William of Occam)
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To: SkyDancer
the Supreme Court has shifted to Liberals with Kagan

There's been no "shift" on the high court.

Kagan is replacing another liberal. The court remains 5 (mostly) conservative Justices, and 4 (decidedly) liberal Justices.

Heaven help us if one of the conservative Justices has to retire during Precedent Obama's term.

25 posted on 08/07/2010 6:04:53 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: SkyDancer

Really, Obama’s Wise Latina and equally Wise Jewess haven’t tilted it at all. They just replaced 2 lefty judges, unfortunately both appointed by Republican presidents.

The sole ‘swing’ vote remains Kennedy. Fortunately for us, Bush appointed Roberts whose persuasive skills seem far stronger than Rehnquist’s, so Kennedy has been better over the past couple of years.

We have to pray for them every day, for their good health, and their faithfulness to the Constitution.


26 posted on 08/07/2010 6:06:40 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Daisyjane69
But authors of ObamaCare chose to omit that clause, suggesting that the health overhaul won't work without mandatory insurance.

That was no accident. It is the result of arrogance and overeaching; hence that woman's retort of "Are you serious?"
A true Constitutional Scholar, that one.

The whole mess needs extra-Constitutionality to work. All they need is the proper judges.

But then, there's always nullification by the states.

The Undocumented President does not have enough thugs at his command to enforce illegal laws. I don't care what the woman says...

27 posted on 08/07/2010 6:06:43 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: max americana
President Palin will have to replace Thomas eventually on her admin.

I don't see why. Justice Thomas is young enough to go another 20 years on the bench. Hopefully, though, she'll be get a shot at replacing Kennedy, the swing voter.

28 posted on 08/07/2010 6:14:14 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Daisyjane69

Sunshine State Rains on Health Care Reform
Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum gives an update on his lawsuit over Obama’s health care law

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4303976/sunshine-state-rains-on-health-care-reform

Judge will hear Cuccinelli’s Case Against Federal Health Care Law - (Virginia)

http://virginia.statehousenewsonline.com/502/judge-will-hear-cuccinellis-case-against-federal-health-care-law/

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“This lawsuit is not about health care, it’s about our freedom and about standing up and calling on the federal government to follow the ultimate law of the land – the Constitution,” Cuccinelli said in a press release. “The government cannot draft an unwilling citizen into commerce just so it can regulate him under the Commerce Clause.”

Both Cuccinelli and McCollum said there is no severability clause in the healthcare bill and if one part gets struck down...the WHOLE BILL GOES DOWN. The individual mandate is unconstitutional (the fed. govt. cannot compel you to purchase a product) and calling it a tax is not going to work either as you cannot tax nonactivity.


29 posted on 08/07/2010 6:15:35 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Who needs an enemy when we have Barack Obama?)
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To: chris_bdba
She is the replacement for Breyer

You mean Stephens?

30 posted on 08/07/2010 6:16:00 PM PDT by upchuck (Our margin of victory this November MUST ALWAYS BE greater than their margin of fraud.)
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To: SkyDancer
I think that now that the Supreme Court has shifted to Liberals with Kagan it’ll be Constitutional for the gov’ment to tell people what they have to buy ...

Liberal Kagan replaced liberal Stephens. How is that a shift? Just rearranging the chairs.

Lord, please bless and keep the Conservatives on the court.

31 posted on 08/07/2010 6:18:13 PM PDT by upchuck (Our margin of victory this November MUST ALWAYS BE greater than their margin of fraud.)
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To: upchuck

K, tnx, been told that already ....


32 posted on 08/07/2010 6:22:35 PM PDT by SkyDancer ( “Guns Don’t Kill Poeple. Abortion Clinics Kill People.” and I'm still " Molly Norris")
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To: EDINVA

Souter and Breyer turned out to be more left than anticipated. I think it’s a given that Kagan will be more left than she portrayed herself to be or than Republican senators who voted for her convinced themselves she is. She may be a leftist replacing a leftist, but I’m convinced she is more left than the justice she is replacing. I hope this qualitative difference may not harm the country in a material way.


33 posted on 08/07/2010 6:37:54 PM PDT by skookum55 ("Why is the market going down? Because communism isn't bullish." Unknown trader, CNBC, July 2010.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
“The Obama administration claimed that the Commerce Clause gives the federal government the authority to mandate coverage. They cited two cases in which the Supreme Court stretched the meaning of interstate commerce like a rubber band. In Wickard v. Filburn (1942), the Court ruled that the federal government could limit how much wheat a farmer can grow to feed his own animals. Similarly, in Gonzalez v. Raich (2005), the Court decided that the federal government could bar a sick person from cultivating a mere six stalks of marijuana. Growing something for personal use doesn't seem like interstate commerce, said the justices, but individual decisions in the aggregate could have an impact on national markets.”

Wickard v. Filburn and Gonzalez v. Raich. Two of the worst Supreme court decisions ever.

34 posted on 08/07/2010 7:12:49 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: SkyDancer

She replaced Stevens. Is that really such a big shift?


35 posted on 08/07/2010 7:16:35 PM PDT by whence911 (Here illegally? Go home. Get in line!)
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To: skookum55

But it comes down to Supreme Court votes. You have four auto on the left, four auto on the right, with Kennedy swinging between the two. Kagan would be fairly to the left of Stevens, but will vote no differently than Stevens would have.


36 posted on 08/07/2010 7:24:37 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: TheConservativeParty

An interesting logical and legal point made by Judge Napoliano on Fox is that if a homosexual judge should recuse himself from this case, so should a heterosexual. Think about it.


37 posted on 08/07/2010 8:04:32 PM PDT by balls
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To: upchuck

No I mean Justice John Paul Stevens that is who Kegan is replacing.


38 posted on 08/07/2010 9:00:19 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Daisyjane69

If CommieCare sticks, I will spend the rest of my life working against it. I will defy it, confound it, use it to break it, frustrate it, cost it, and generally F with it every chance I get—F’ing relentless!

I recommend that all good Americans do the same.

I won’t make a good slave, of that much I am certain.


39 posted on 08/07/2010 9:21:08 PM PDT by Boucheau
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To: EDINVA

Which is why I referred to the difference as qualitative.


40 posted on 08/08/2010 6:47:53 AM PDT by skookum55 ("Why is the market going down? Because communism isn't bullish." Unknown trader, CNBC, July 2010.)
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