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Will Kate Gosselin Cost Sarah Palin Votes?
Fox ^ | 8/9/10 | staff

Posted on 08/09/2010 9:56:37 AM PDT by pissant

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To: Catsrus

You’re not who she has to win over if she’s ever going to actually become president. It’s the wishy-washy moderates. And all she’s doing is validating the “She’s not intelligent enough to be president” meme.


141 posted on 08/09/2010 1:33:26 PM PDT by Politicalmom (A racist is a conservative who is winning an argument with a liberal.-FReeper Freespirited)
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To: The Pack Knight

Your circular thinking left me dizzier than usual.


142 posted on 08/09/2010 1:34:14 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: The Pack Knight

Now THAT was a reasoned argument. Nice job.


143 posted on 08/09/2010 1:35:28 PM PDT by Politicalmom (A racist is a conservative who is winning an argument with a liberal.-FReeper Freespirited)
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To: andy58-in-nh
Hmmm...thank you.

1. Must publicly identify as a Conservative first, and a "Republican" second. As a practical matter this means support for free enterprise, personal responsibility, limited government, strong national defense, and sound money...

I would agree with that, emphasize "must." I would add a #7, #8, #9, #10. When I get to each, I'll illustrate how I think they effect your points.

2. Must commit to restoring constitutional governance to the United States, meaning that the powers not delegated to the Federal government must be returned to the states, or to the people, as specifically required in our founding documents. Must offer unwavering support for the entire Constitution, not just parts of it, and agree to nominate as Supreme Court justices only those who will strictly interpret its language in terms of history and original intent...

I agree wholeheartedly, again, emphasize "must."

3. Must support secure and defensible national borders as a precondition to any other effort at immigration reform. May offer support for English as our national language and restore minimum standards for citizenship so that legal immigrants will have a real chance to succeed as productive citizens...

I agree wholeheartedly, again, emphasize "must."

4. Must unapologetically defend America as a force for good in the world, but not as the world's policeman. Re-establish good relationships with our freedom-loving friends, and agree to oppose our socialist/collectivist enemies when their aims are militarily expansionist and threaten international commerce and stability...

Hear, hear! (again, emphasize "must.")

5. Must have had some executive work experience, preferably in the private sector, but also as a state governor for at least four years. Senators tend to make terrible national leaders because they are blowhards and grandstanders by nature, as opposed to statesmen...

Hmmm...I think private executive experience is important; I think government executive experience is important.

I think Senators can be statesmen, but I think it's tough for them to be leaders. So much of how the Senate operates has to do with concensus, as opposed to leadership. I think some experience as a governor is valuable; I would hesitate to require a minimum time served, depending upon circumstances. I would be open to a Senator, depending upon the Senator.

6. Must be knowledgeable enough about a range of policy issues in order to discuss them with conviction and confidence. Typically, this means a period of work and/or study of at least 10 years, and more likely, 20 years. He or she should be generally well-educated, but preferably not at an Ivy League school, and not a lawyer. We've had entirely too many of their sort...

Reminds me of a story told about Henry Ford...a professor of some sort was mocking his education, implying he was ignorant. Henry Ford said, in effect, "Prove it."

The professor asked him all kinds of questions, none of which he knew the answer to. He finally grew frustrated and said, "I don't know the answers to these questions, but I could hire a man in a minute who does."

I don't that's as important; that's what you hire the John Boltons of the world to advise. I also have no set period of time in mind, because again, you hire help for that.

As for being Ivy League or a lawyer, that would undoubtedly weigh against them; but it could be overcome.

This is enough for one post.

144 posted on 08/09/2010 1:35:59 PM PDT by gogeo ("Every one has a right to be an idiot. He abuses the privilege!" Groucho Marx)
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To: pgyanke
I can think of one reason she might connect with Kate Gosslin... she wants to touch her demographic. Kate might be a trainwreck... but she has a large following.

If the rumors are to be believed, Palin managed to piss Kate off, so it depends on whether most of that "following" is watching Kate because they like her or out of morbid curiosity. If it's the former, then it doesn't look like Palin is doing herself many favors among Kate's following.

Also, there is a probably a pretty large demographic that does not think that mugging for the camera with reality TV "stars" is very Presidential behavior. Is it worth alienating that demographic in order to reach Kate's?
145 posted on 08/09/2010 1:37:00 PM PDT by The Pack Knight (Laugh, and the world laughs with you. Weep, and the world laughs at you.)
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To: Deb; pissant

Many Palin supporters, including on this thread, cite the personal attacks against Palin as evidence that the left views her as a threat. Many of those same supporters hurl personal attacks at pissant for posting articles and comments critical of Palin. Ergo, using the logic of said Palin supporters, pissant must be a serious threat to Palin.


146 posted on 08/09/2010 1:50:33 PM PDT by The Pack Knight (Laugh, and the world laughs with you. Weep, and the world laughs at you.)
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To: The Pack Knight

And you’d think I was just a pissant


147 posted on 08/09/2010 1:51:53 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Politicalmom

Apparently and this isn’t the first time I’ve seen it.


148 posted on 08/09/2010 1:57:58 PM PDT by panthermom
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To: pissant

Why, is she running for something?


149 posted on 08/09/2010 2:00:26 PM PDT by kanawa (Obama - "It's going to take a while for us to dig ourselves out of this hole.'')
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To: andy58-in-nh
I would add these, which IMO are as crucial as any, especially for a conservative Prez:

7. Excellent people skills. Understands what makes people tick, what motivates them, when someone is sincere, when someone is lying, when someone is BSing; must have a good gut level read of people, can make good people decisions on the fly. Understands the difference between a conservative and a lefty, and what that difference means.

8. Excellent political skills. Knows how to form concensus, knows how something will play politically, understands how winning arguments are framed. This flows from their people skills.

9. Excellent communication skills. Willing and able to conceive and execute winning communication strategies in the face of a hostile intelligentia and MSM. Again, the foundation is excellent people/ political skills.

10. Superior temperment; leadership mindset. Understands how 1-9 fit together, is willing to move public opinion where appropriate...not just follow it. Big picture thinker. Understands that the difference between Left and Conservative are two incompatible world views, and understands the necessity of fighting cultural battles as well as political battles. The heart of a servant, and the crazy eye of a linebacker.

This person doesn't need to have someone explain negotiation; they get it. They don't need to have someone explain why appeasement doesn't work; they already get it. A successful geopolitical worldview, IMO, flows from a gut level knowledge of people.

What do you think?

150 posted on 08/09/2010 2:00:34 PM PDT by gogeo ("Every one has a right to be an idiot. He abuses the privilege!" Groucho Marx)
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To: McGruff
Luckily Sarah Palin doesn't do what's in her best political interest but what's in the best interest for for this country.

Like doing a reality TV show with Kate Gosselin. Right.
151 posted on 08/09/2010 2:00:49 PM PDT by The Pack Knight (Laugh, and the world laughs with you. Weep, and the world laughs at you.)
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To: The Pack Knight
You're so right. She's terrified of the pisser. Her entire political future is in danger if he ever unleashes the full power of his mighty influence sitting in his Mom's basement eating Ding Dongs, at his computer, in his stained under pants.

Beware Sarah and other unworthy RINOS! It's Pissant and His Mighty Brigade of Waddling Warriors! Their thighs may be chaffed on the inside, but if they can ever lose enough weight to walk outside and do something...you're in TROUBLE!!

152 posted on 08/09/2010 2:02:04 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: gogeo

That was Reagan in a nutshell.


153 posted on 08/09/2010 2:04:12 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: pissant
Will Kate Gosselin Cost Sarah Palin Votes?

Did they kiss?

154 posted on 08/09/2010 2:09:51 PM PDT by DungeonMaster (My dad put his arm around me like that once, to this very day he wears orthopedic shirts.)
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To: DungeonMaster

LOL


155 posted on 08/09/2010 2:10:55 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Deb

I don’t really believe that pissant is a serious threat to Palin, just like I don’t really believe that the attacks on Palin mean that the left is afraid of Palin. In fact, I suspect Obama and his people are wishing mightily for Palin to be the Republican nominee.


156 posted on 08/09/2010 2:17:13 PM PDT by The Pack Knight (Laugh, and the world laughs with you. Weep, and the world laughs at you.)
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To: DungeonMaster

Next thing you know, the demand for pictures will start. :p


157 posted on 08/09/2010 2:18:37 PM PDT by Politicalmom (A racist is a conservative who is winning an argument with a liberal.-FReeper Freespirited)
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To: Politicalmom

And I completely forgot to mention that she is one of the few potential Republican nominees who would virtually guarantee another four years of Obama. This latest misstep is further evidence of that.


158 posted on 08/09/2010 2:25:34 PM PDT by The Pack Knight (Laugh, and the world laughs with you. Weep, and the world laughs at you.)
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To: MamaB
I agree with you 100%! They represent all that is wrong with American society today... brought to you by hollyweird and the dims. You should have seen her hugging and smooching her bodyguard in the Atlanta airport... and she was still married... and she barked orders at everyone and talked ugly to the airline people... typical celebrity of today.

LLS

159 posted on 08/09/2010 2:26:59 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: pissant; All

IMO, this is way too premature to say anything about the matter either way.


160 posted on 08/09/2010 2:31:34 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (For he is B. Hussein Obama, King of the RDDBs, and may all lesser RDDBs bow before him!)
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