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Will Kate Gosselin Cost Sarah Palin Votes?
Fox ^ | 8/9/10 | staff

Posted on 08/09/2010 9:56:37 AM PDT by pissant

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To: The Pack Knight
I'm not sure of any of the others who you listed as possibles, I don't know anything about them.

As for Sarah, I am impressed with her credentials and she has light years more experience than the goon we have up there now.

All of my opinion I am basing on what I have seen and heard out of Sarah so far. She has not announced that she'll be running, and most everything has been rah-rah America stuff-which I'm all for; but I'll agree the final decision will be IF she announces, and the campaign rhetoric after that.

It's all happened very fast for Palin, and it is obviously overwhelming at times...especially with the never-ending double-barrel attacks from the left. Nothing she says gets by without getting slammed, re-interpreted, and taken out of context, so I would imagine it gets frustrating at times.

But, so far as I know, few colleges offer a course called "Presidency 101"; whoever gets the job is in a learning mode about the mechanics of the job...at least for a while. Everyone who has ever had the job, had to learn the job, how to pronounce foreign names, and where the oval office is.

But that's just mechanics; I look for someone with the core values that reflect America. Someone I believe is a straight shooter and not afraid to tackle the hard issues or the assholes in Washington...out of the CURRENT field at the CURRENT time...I pick Sarah.

Someone may come along that I like better, but not yet. You're not impressed, I am impressed, we agree to disagree...so it's settled.

Have a good week.
161 posted on 08/09/2010 2:35:10 PM PDT by FrankR (It doesn't matter what they call us, only what we answer to....)
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To: The Pack Knight
That is what the gerald r ford wing of the repubic party said about Reagan. catah said the same thing about Reagan when he ran against him... and someone posted the Whitehouse statement saying that they hoped Reagan would win the primary because he was going to be easier to beat than Bonzo... a chimp that was in "Bedtime for Bonzo" with Reagan.

Palin is the only Conservative that could beat obama... America will not vote for moderate, talking out of both sides of their mouth... or out of 4,312 sides like romney... or a milquetoast already run has-been rino.

LLS

162 posted on 08/09/2010 2:39:19 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: The Pack Knight
Yeah, the Left frequently spends all its time and millions of dollars bashing and ridiculing politicians they have no fear of. They also aren't "afraid of" the Tea Party movement. You can tell by the 100% negative coverage.

At least try to get a clue, but then if you were capable of getting a clue you wouldn't be massaging the legs of demented tools like pissy.

163 posted on 08/09/2010 2:43:15 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb; ReneeLynn
You're so right. She's terrified of the pisser. Her entire political future is in danger if he ever unleashes the full power of his mighty influence sitting in his Mom's basement eating Ding Dongs, at his computer, in his stained under pants.

Beware Sarah and other unworthy RINOS! It's Pissant and His Mighty Brigade of Waddling Warriors! Their thighs may be chaffed on the inside, but if they can ever lose enough weight to walk outside and do something...you're in TROUBLENotably quotable.......

:-)

164 posted on 08/09/2010 2:43:45 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: dfwgator
That was Reagan in a nutshell...

I think RR was both more and less than this list.

He had no formal schooling outside of Eureka College, graduating in 1932. Many called him intellectually incurious; Clark Clifford once memorably labeled him "an amiable dunce."

Reagan was an executive President who succeeded due to his executive skills. He was not one for mindnumbing detail.

He was the conceptual opposite of Jed Bartlett...as Bartlett is a fictional character in every sense of the word. RR was nothing if not real.

165 posted on 08/09/2010 2:46:27 PM PDT by gogeo ("Every one has a right to be an idiot. He abuses the privilege!" Groucho Marx)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Palin is one of the few Republican politicians actively disliked by more Americans than Obama. I don’t see why Obama wouldn’t prefer to run against her.


166 posted on 08/09/2010 3:24:38 PM PDT by The Pack Knight (Laugh, and the world laughs with you. Weep, and the world laughs at you.)
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To: The Pack Knight
Palin is one of the few Republican politicians actively disliked by more Americans than Obama

Link please. MSDNC doesn't count.

167 posted on 08/09/2010 4:27:00 PM PDT by McGruff (How's that Hopey Changey thingy workin for ya?)
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To: gogeo
Thanks for your thoughtful observations. I believe we as a nation are at a crossroad, and our choice is yet to be determined. Our Elites: the "ruling class", would lead us down a road toward dependency and subservience, while the Producers: the "country class" would have us return to a path proscribed by our forbears: liberty, independence, and opportunity.

At present, neither major political party in our nation represents the interests of the Producers. The Democrats have been fully absorbed by the socialist Left who see government as the source of all value, regardless of the fact that human rights inhere in individuals, and not groups, and that value is created by creative effort, not by its forcible redistribution.

The Republicans, for their part have largely abandoned principle in exchange for the right to champion half measures: they will protect your right to half of what you deserve in exchange for all of your support. They will keep the thieves at bay, for a while, anyway, as long as you agree to pay them the same tribute as those would take it all. Both parties wish you to believe they are your friend; one group steals and offers you a false comfort in return; the other restrains the thieves from doing their worst and asks you to be thankful for their intervention, by which they profit nonetheless.

I, myself, await a more compelling choice.

As to your categorical qualifications for executive office, you offer some valuable considerations.

People skills: I agree that it is vital for a leader of free people to know and respect their human nature and motivations. Among our politicians, honesty in this regard is rare, for it means admitting that one's own needs and those of one's constituents do sometimes conflict. In those instances, the requirements of one's representative citizens must prevail.

Political skills: building coalitions based upon compromise is important to one's continuation in office, but it is undermined by a failure to respect the fundamental rights of all. Most politicians eagerly sell the rights of some in exchange for the support of others. Our Constitution, relentlessly enforced, is what might constrain the very human impulse to desire that which one has not earned by honest effort and free exchange of value.

Communication skills: what matters most on this respect is content and not verbal facility; many people are willing to be tricked and lied to for short-term advantage. But effectively appeal to "the better angels of our nature" and many who would otherwise be seduced will pause long enough to consider what others might do to them, if similarly propositioned at the expense of their virtue.

Superior temperament and leadership ability: nothing is more rare in political life, for it is informed not by temporal pleasure but by honesty, honor, decency and faith. We get the leaders we deserve. As John Adams noted, our Constitution was made only for a religious and moral people and added further:

"The only foundation of a free Constitution is pure Virtue, and if this cannot be inspired into our People in a greater Measure than they have it now, They may change their Rulers and the forms of Government, but they will not obtain a lasting Liberty. They will only exchange Tyrants and Tyrannies.

168 posted on 08/09/2010 5:21:50 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: McGruff
Link please. MSDNC doesn't count.

Coming right up.

Rasmussen, 22 June 2010: "As for Sarah Palin, ex-governor of Alaska and the 2008 GOP vice presidential nominee, only 26% feel she is qualified to be president, but 61% do not. Thirteen percent (13%) are not sure."

Quinnipiac, 21 July 2010: American voters like Obama more than Sarah Palin, giving him a 49 - 45 percent favorability, while she gets a negative 35 - 49 percent.

Gallup, 16 July 2010: Palin 44% favorable, 47% unfavorable. Here, her unfavorability number is one point lower than Obama's 45 approve, 48 disapprove from his most recent Gallup poll. However, the other four Republicans included in the 16 July poll - Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, and Jindal - had unfavorable numbers nowhere near Obama's.
169 posted on 08/09/2010 5:54:36 PM PDT by The Pack Knight (Laugh, and the world laughs with you. Weep, and the world laughs at you.)
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To: frogjerk
Well since the majority of voters tend to watch that crap instead of the sunday morning shows wouldn't it be better to go get votes where the people are instead of talking to dead air on the Sunday morning shows?
170 posted on 08/09/2010 5:59:19 PM PDT by unseen1
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To: andy58-in-nh
Our Elites: the "ruling class", would lead us down a road toward dependency and subservience, while the Producers: the "country class" would have us return to a path proscribed by our forbears: liberty, independence, and opportunity...

I was blessed with an incredible history teacher in college many, many, many years ago...he described the split as Country vs Court, and it's been a theme in American History since before the Revolutionary War.

So I guess what we're seeing is nothing new.

The Republicans, for their part have largely abandoned principle in exchange for the right to champion half measures: they will protect your right to half of what you deserve in exchange for all of your support...

Very well said. I think there's no point in putting Repubs back in power, if we get the same Repub result as from 2001 on.

I'm hopeful the Tea Party movement can take over the Repub Party. If not, I'd be willing to look at a third party...as long as having political tin ears is not a platform plank.

I'm resigned to the notion that we've been headed to where we are for a long time, and it's not a political season's worth of work to get us back to where we want to be.

There's a local (Seattle area) radio personality named John Carlson who was a Gov. candidate a few years ago. He says that in politics (this was several years ago) it's no longer left vs right, but inside vs outside.

171 posted on 08/09/2010 7:00:07 PM PDT by gogeo ("Every one has a right to be an idiot. He abuses the privilege!" Groucho Marx)
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To: Deb
At least try to get a clue, but then if you were capable of getting a clue you wouldn't be massaging the legs of demented tools like pissy...

You're in fine form today! I thought I was the only one getting cranky with the PDS Posse.

172 posted on 08/09/2010 7:02:39 PM PDT by gogeo ("Every one has a right to be an idiot. He abuses the privilege!" Groucho Marx)
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To: pissant; All

I was betting the first episode was going to be pissant and Bob J camping with Sarah Palin and attempting to convince her to endorse the Falcon Party and Duncan Hunter for President in 2012. What a disappointment.


173 posted on 08/09/2010 7:16:55 PM PDT by johncocktoasten (Practicing asymetrical thread warfare against anti-Palin Trolls)
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To: The Pack Knight
Yeah right... saw the same type of DC machine polling for Reagan back in the day. Palin IS THE ONLY CANDIDATE that can fill arenas with people... 15,000 here... 20,000 in liberal NY... 35,000 in Florida in 105 degree heat... yeah... she is really hated. There is no one else... no one in the republican party that can touch her magnetism and Conservatism... not one set of balls bigger... not one person that is an inch more Conservative... and she is the only Conservative that is daily attacking the evil that governs us... the rest either follow her lead in a delayed fashion or pee themselves thinking about doing so. She is also the ONLY candidate that has an endorsement that scientifically and mathematically have made any difference in victory for Conservative candidates... you got nuthin' but air.

LLS

174 posted on 08/10/2010 4:22:18 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: andy58-in-nh
Ryan called to specific Cantor called a sell out for..........something or other Christie to heavy(I vote in NJ) OK lets get behind one and try to get his recognition % up to double digits
175 posted on 08/10/2010 5:03:42 AM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: LibLieSlayer

You sound just like an Obama sycophant.


176 posted on 08/10/2010 6:04:46 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Laugh, and the world laughs with you. Weep, and the world laughs at you.)
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To: The Pack Knight
I sound like an obamite to you because I support the only true Conservative with any balls? That argument holds no validity... dream on.

LLS

177 posted on 08/10/2010 6:11:29 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: gogeo
It is interesting to think of our central domestic political conflict in terms of Country vs. Court, and for a number of reasons. The first of these would be to marvel at how rapidly the "least dangerous branch" of our government has metastasized from Alexander Hamilton's time:

"The interpretation of the laws is the proper and peculiar province of the courts. A constitution is, in fact, and must be regarded by the judges, as a fundamental law. It therefore belongs to them to ascertain its meaning, as well as the meaning of any particular act proceeding from the legislative body. If there should happen to be an irreconcilable variance between the two, that which has the superior obligation and validity ought, of course, to be preferred; or, in other words, the Constitution ought to be preferred to the statute, the intention of the people to the intention of their agents."

"Nor does this conclusion by any means suppose a superiority of the judicial to the legislative power. It only supposes that the power of the people is superior to both; and that where the will of the legislature, declared in its statutes, stands in opposition to that of the people, declared in the Constitution, the judges ought to be governed by the latter rather than the former." - Federalist #78

Sounds rather quaint today, does it not? Our Federal courts have progressed over time from impartial arbiters of legislative intent and textual meaning to upholding the fiat of unelected bureaucrats who claim the power to tell Americans how many grams of saturated fat they can have in their bran muffins.

Another reason it is revealing to frame our greater political conflict in terms of "the courts vs. the people" is because while we used to pride ourselves on being "a nation of laws rather than of men", our politicians no longer even think in those terms. Rather, they appear to assume the interchangeability of both, dependent upon electoral victory, eschewing fixed principles and limited powers wherever some human imperfection or difficulty arises.

This, of course, is the essence of modern Progressivism: the impulse to apply government power to constrain and direct human endeavor wherever the result of voluntary interaction is adjudged "unfair" or "inequitable", which increasingly reaches into every crevice of human life.

Also over time, those doing the "reaching" are Insiders - a permanent Elite class whose matriculating members graduate to sinecures from which they command and control the labor, capital, information, and ultimately: the fortunes of others. Furthermore, our Elites frequently assume a right to do so, owning to commonly-understood tokens of superior pedigree: family name, private school diplomas, club memberships, and suitably arranged internships. Among the members of this class are national politicians, academics, news media members, private resource funders, and various literati and culturati whose works essentially paper the walls of the Progressive sound chamber.

The "Outsiders" in our world are of three distinct sub-classes. One is the Producers - those of knowledge and ability who create things of value (products and services) for which others wish to exchange value. Among this group are small business owners, tradesmen, professional service providers and technical workers.

Another subgroup is the "Dependents" (formerly known as "the masses") - those upon who our legislative elite members lavish attention, borrowed money and also some of the fortunes appropriated from Producers in exchange for votes at election time, while keeping them permanently poor and unaccomplished.

Finally, there are the "Enablers" - essentially the ground troops for the elite class - composed of public sector union members, bureaucrats, and non-profit political issue groups, any of whom may be called upon to promote the electoral interests of the elite at any time, acting in a somewhat whimsical sense as the "muscle arm" of the Progressive Crime Family. "Nice biz-ness ya got dere. It would be a *shame* if anyt'ing were ta happen to it... get it, pal?"...

178 posted on 08/10/2010 6:45:47 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

By “Court” he meant an urban elite, not the judicial branch.


179 posted on 08/10/2010 8:59:49 AM PDT by gogeo ("Every one has a right to be an idiot. He abuses the privilege!" Groucho Marx)
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To: gogeo
Well, okay then. ;-) I'd offer an Emily Littella "Never mind!" comment except that I think pretty much everything I wrote still applies to our urban elitists and courtiers, whether they serve as judges or not.
180 posted on 08/10/2010 9:19:21 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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