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Judge orders Wells Fargo to pay back $203M in fees (a must read!)
AP ^ | 8/11/2010 | AP

Posted on 08/11/2010 8:54:36 PM PDT by mainsail that

"In a decision handed down late Tuesday, U.S. District Judge William Alsup accused Wells Fargo of "profiteering" by changing its policies to process checks, debit card transactions and bill payments from the highest dollar amount to the lowest, rather than in the order the transactions took place.

That helped drain customer bank accounts faster and drive up overdraft fees, a policy Alsup referred to as "gouging and profiteering.""

(Excerpt) Read more at finance.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: banks; debit; debitcard; fargo; idiocy; overdraft; overreach; wellsfargo
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"The ruling detailed the experiences of two Wells Fargo customers who used their debit cards for multiple small purchases, and were then charged hundreds in overdraft fees because the order the purchases were cleared by the bank depended on the amounts."

Surprised no penalties were given for this scummy behavior, just restitution. I'm all for profits and even tens of million in bonuses if earned honestly, but WTF?

1 posted on 08/11/2010 8:54:39 PM PDT by mainsail that
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To: mainsail that

they all did it...


2 posted on 08/11/2010 8:56:05 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: mainsail that
This is crazy. Why should Wells Fargo be penalized for their customers' inability to keep track of their bank account balances?

If people made sure that they had funds available before making debits, it would not matter in which order they were withdrawn.

3 posted on 08/11/2010 8:56:12 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: mainsail that

The problem with the whole “order they took place” is that they don’t always know.

For anything “card related” like a debit card purchase, sure, but checks are still batch-processed, they arrive in a “batch” each night...they don’t know what “arrived” first, just the day it came. If 3 checks hit the same night, what one was “first?” It’s not feasible to expect someone to read the date on each check, it just doesn’t work that way.


4 posted on 08/11/2010 8:56:51 PM PDT by RockinRight (Outrage does not make the law.)
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To: mainsail that

Sounds like wire fraud to me and since there was a pattern; it was racketeering. Those injured ought to get treble damages.


5 posted on 08/11/2010 8:59:38 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: pnh102

BINGO!

I keep my recorded balance $100 below my actual balance for this very reason. Nothing like a little cash cushion just in case.


6 posted on 08/11/2010 9:00:30 PM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: mainsail that; Liz; AT7Saluki; writer33
U.S. District Judge William Alsup accused Wells Fargo of "profiteering"

We're pretty much done.

7 posted on 08/11/2010 9:03:55 PM PDT by Libloather (Teapublican, PROUD birther, mobster, pro-lifer, anti-warmer, enemy of the state, extremist....)
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To: mainsail that

Bank of America would pull this crap,as well as sometimes sitting on charges for weeks


8 posted on 08/11/2010 9:05:33 PM PDT by Charlespg
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To: mainsail that

Clinton appointee. The rule of law is dead in this country. Long live the Reich!


9 posted on 08/11/2010 9:06:41 PM PDT by Hoodat (.For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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To: dalebert

BofA does it, in fact just a few weeks ago they screwed me over, and I never eve had a negative balance! It wax based on pending charges, and my direct deposit went in before those charges actually processed!! Seriously squirrely math going on. We read them the riot act, but they don’t care.


10 posted on 08/11/2010 9:08:54 PM PDT by Newton ('No arsenal is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.' -Ronald Reagan)
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To: Charlespg

So did National City.

But that’s alright. They can arrange things the way they want. I can always change banks. And I did.


11 posted on 08/11/2010 9:09:22 PM PDT by kimmie7 (THE CROSS - Today, Tomorrow and Always!)
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To: mainsail that

I remember wathcing a documentary on the credit card industry. Their response was that when they asked their customers if they wanted them to do big payments before little ones, most of their customers said cover my big payments first. Like mortgages, bills, etc.

I can’t say the credit card companies come off as clean as the wind driven snow in their practices. But I don’t think in this case you can say they weren’t dong what most of their folks wanted, covering their big bills first.


12 posted on 08/11/2010 9:12:23 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Charlespg

I agree with you about sitting on charges and/or holding deposits too long and allowing late charges to occur. However what theyare talking about in this article is not those two instances.


13 posted on 08/11/2010 9:13:49 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: SeaHawkFan

There is a somewhat rational explanation (though ultimately I think it is shady). They claim they are sorting checks by size assuming that more important checks are the larger amounts. So they say the intent is that your large mortgage check won’t bounce because they will try to clear it first. So in theory the process could work in some people’s favor.


14 posted on 08/11/2010 9:14:03 PM PDT by Wayne07
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To: mainsail that

The IRS does the same thing, they go after the accounts that owe them the most money, it just simply makes sense.


15 posted on 08/11/2010 9:16:15 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (Even Hitler had Government run health care, but at least he got the Olympics for Germany)
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To: Charlespg

And they settled a class action suit on it in 2009: http://www.clossonsettlement.com/

I dumped them long before that...for this reason and that they bragged about giving mortgage loans to illegal aliens.


16 posted on 08/11/2010 9:17:25 PM PDT by LostInBayport (Fiscal order and a strong border...how about Christie/Cuccinelli 2012)
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To: pnh102

What happens is if there are for example several small charges that do not over draw, and then a debit that is larger and causes an over draft, instead of issuing one over draft fee they process it first so all the other debits that would have been covered incur a fee so instead of $35 in over draft fees the person get hit with $100 or more in fees.


17 posted on 08/11/2010 9:17:33 PM PDT by Newton ('No arsenal is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.' -Ronald Reagan)
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To: Libloather

“Profiting” like not picking the mail after a certain so the payments are artificially late or delaying deposits on purpose so you’d occur fees. Oh, please. They get money essentially for free and give it at 18%-33% and still are not happy with the profits, they want to steal.


18 posted on 08/11/2010 9:19:47 PM PDT by mainsail that ("A man will fight harder for his interests than for his rights" - Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: Newton

Geez, I’m typing on my iPhone and it likes to change words on me!!!! That should be “even” not “eve” and “was” not “wax”!!


19 posted on 08/11/2010 9:21:31 PM PDT by Newton ('No arsenal is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.' -Ronald Reagan)
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To: mainsail that
They get money essentially for free and give it at 18%-33% and still are not happy with the profits, they want to steal.

After all those gubmint regulations? Doesn't seem so...

20 posted on 08/11/2010 9:23:45 PM PDT by Libloather (Teapublican, PROUD birther, mobster, pro-lifer, anti-warmer, enemy of the state, extremist....)
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