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MathCounts Excludes Homeschoolers from Team Competition
Examiner.com Fort Collins ^ | August 14, 2010 | Christa Novelli

Posted on 08/16/2010 10:37:52 AM PDT by aberaussie

Parents of middle school aged children may want to be aware that the national MathCounts Foundation has changed the rules for homeschoolers this year. MathCounts provides an opportunity for 6th through 8th grade students to compete in academic problem solving and mathematical competitions which may be of particular interest to gifted middle schoolers.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: competition; education; homeschooling; math
They have banned homeschoolers from the team round of the competition. Homeschoolers may still compete as individuals.

Our homeschool group has sent a team to regionals every year for the last sixteen years. We followed all the rules and all participants were members of our support group. We did not recruit outside of our group or go looking for "ringers" to create a super team. Apparently some tutoring centers or enrichment programs have been recruiting gifted math students, labeling them "homeschoolers" and participating in the competition. MathCounts decided that since homeschoolers are such a small percentage of their participants, they would just ban homeschoolers altogether from the team round of the competition.

I know some folks might think that is fair - they still get to compete. We have been involved with MathCounts for many years and my husband has been the coach for our homeschool group's team for over ten years now. We no longer have children in that age group, but he loves doing it and we live and breathe MathCounts in January and February every year leading up to and during the regional competition. The team round is the best part! Students work in teams of four to solve the problems. The top three or four teams qualify to go to the state level. Two of our children did that twice each and it was a wonderful experience! It fostered an enduring love for problem solving in both of them. Our older son qualified to represent the state in 2000 at the national competition and it would not have happened if his team had not gone to the state competition as a team.

This is so disappointing!

1 posted on 08/16/2010 10:37:58 AM PDT by aberaussie
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To: metmom

ping


2 posted on 08/16/2010 10:38:41 AM PDT by aberaussie
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To: aberaussie

Lemme guess, they were worried that the home schoolers would be regularly handing the other students their collective rear ends?


3 posted on 08/16/2010 10:39:57 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: aberaussie
Homeschoolers should start their own competition ensuring to allow government and private school participation.
4 posted on 08/16/2010 10:44:44 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: aberaussie

looks like you can go comment on this article pretty easily, and without signing in!

LET ‘EM HAVE IT!

Let’s overwhelm that message board with pro-homeschooling, anti-Math Counts messages!!!!


5 posted on 08/16/2010 10:47:45 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: pnh102
It is not always easy to tell who the homeschoolers are in these competitions because each state has different rules regarding homeschooling. Some homeschoolers will look like they are part of a private school. Our group includes "Homeschoolers" in its name, so it is obvious. We have been competing for sixteen years and qualified for the state competition four our of those sixteen years. I don't really see homeschoolers as being that much of a threat! There just aren't that many of us participating...and a winning team, at least for us, takes at least two strong math students plus two more above average math students. Brick and mortar schools have many more students to draw from and should not be afraid of us...

That said, my homeschooled son was 58th nationally in 2000.. ;-)

6 posted on 08/16/2010 10:49:20 AM PDT by aberaussie
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To: aberaussie
I though Math Counts was sponsored by the national association of Mechanical Engineers??
7 posted on 08/16/2010 11:05:13 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: aberaussie
They have banned homeschoolers from the team round of the competition. Homeschoolers may still compete as individuals.

Is anyone surprised they won't let Superman compete in the Special Olympics?


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

8 posted on 08/16/2010 11:15:30 AM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: elpadre
National MathCounts sponsors include: Raytheon, The National Defense Education Program, Northrop Grumman Foundation, National Society of Professional Engineers, CNA Foundation, Thinkfun, Texas Instruments, and 3M. There are other supporters listed on their site and I know my husband's company supports it as well and it is not listed.

If you were to write anyone, it would be good to write the MathCounts Foundation or its sponsors.

9 posted on 08/16/2010 11:22:21 AM PDT by aberaussie
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To: aberaussie

What a shame! I helped train with a MathCounts team when I was a teen - was too old when my homeschool group started it, but I went to the training and had fun and they did ok at the match.


10 posted on 08/16/2010 11:24:24 AM PDT by JenB
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To: 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; adopt4Christ; Aggie Mama; agrace; AliVeritas; ...
This ping list is for articles of interest to homeschoolers. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping List. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added or removed from either list, or both. The keyword for the FREE REPUBLIC HOMESCHOOLERS’ FORUM is frhf.

11 posted on 08/16/2010 11:25:49 AM PDT by JenB
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To: The Comedian

Grin...

That’s what I was thinking - they didn’t want the homeschoolers to kick their asses in yet another academic contest.


12 posted on 08/16/2010 11:27:38 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: aberaussie

. Anyone with concerns about this is urged to contact MathCounts’ program manager Chris Bright at 703-299-9006 x 104 or chris@mathcounts.org.

They asked for it.


13 posted on 08/16/2010 11:35:15 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: aberaussie

“This is so disappointing!”

So disappointing or so telling?


14 posted on 08/16/2010 11:37:39 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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To: The Comedian

Is anyone surprised they won’t let Superman compete in the Special Olympics?>>>>>>>>

Good point. :-)


15 posted on 08/16/2010 11:41:55 AM PDT by imskylark
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To: pnh102

Well, to be fair, most schools don’t get to pick and choose their membership. Where as a homeschooling team can do nothing but select the best kids from all over.

A better compromise would be to require that members of a home school team are all from the same zip code..


16 posted on 08/16/2010 11:50:12 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you. -- Londo Mollari)
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To: WKUHilltopper
So disappointing or so telling?

For us it is disappointing. We spend a lot of time on MathCounts. It feels like a betrayal. Of course, that is not the right kind of language to use when we discuss it with the leadership - engineering and math types respond much better to logic than to feelings. ;-) I can say that because of the number of engineers in my family....

17 posted on 08/16/2010 12:01:46 PM PDT by aberaussie
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To: aberaussie

They’re not going to do anything that outclasses their fraudulent “clown show”. Thus, Home-schoolers are out because they’d wind up winning.


18 posted on 08/16/2010 12:03:35 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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To: aberaussie

This STINKS!


19 posted on 08/16/2010 12:05:37 PM PDT by God'sgrrl (Mega anti-feminazi dittos)
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To: N3WBI3
Well, to be fair, most schools don’t get to pick and choose their membership. Where as a homeschooling team can do nothing but select the best kids from all over. A better compromise would be to require that members of a home school team are all from the same zip code..

Only if they make the public schools and private schools follow the same rules. In our area, schools are pretty big and draw from a large area. The several schools that dominate our regional competition year after year draw from a large pool of families of professionals - doctors, engineers, college professors, etc. Private schools draw from several counties, not just zip codes. Our little homeschool group draws from about fifty families in three or four counties. No one joins to be able to participate as a ringer in MathCounts. Homeschoolers are small in number. I wonder how many counties would have enough homeschoolers to field a team....

20 posted on 08/16/2010 12:07:46 PM PDT by aberaussie
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

Can you say HR6? I wish...


21 posted on 08/16/2010 12:08:54 PM PDT by aberaussie
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To: aberaussie

What is HR6?


22 posted on 08/16/2010 12:33:09 PM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: JenB
Thx.....

I be done HS'in....but like to get the pings.

23 posted on 08/16/2010 12:36:42 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

HR6 was a bill in the House of Representatives in 1994 that included a provision that all teachers must be certified in all areas that they were teaching. The representative that included that provision refused to remove it or modify it to not include homeschoolers. Homeschoolers made their presence known on Capitol Hill. We shut the congressional switchboards down for a couple of days. It did not pass... I wish there were enough people who cared enough about this issue to really get MathCounts attention.


24 posted on 08/16/2010 2:32:08 PM PDT by aberaussie
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The real reason for this is obvious. It’s that homeschoolers win so many contests, they expose what a poor job public schools do.


25 posted on 08/16/2010 4:06:54 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Obama's more worried about Israelis building houses than he is about Islamists building atomic bombs)
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To: aberaussie

I have heard of the bill but didn’t know it by name. Thanks for the explaination.


26 posted on 08/16/2010 4:53:43 PM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: Osage Orange

I hope your other half taught the grammar portion of your homeschool. :)


27 posted on 08/16/2010 4:55:16 PM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

Wat u mean?


28 posted on 08/16/2010 5:54:05 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: aberaussie

bttt


29 posted on 08/16/2010 6:16:59 PM PDT by aberaussie
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To: Osage Orange

I ain’t telling. If you ain’t able to figure it out on your own that’s just too bad.


30 posted on 08/16/2010 10:44:39 PM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3
You ain't?

Wow!

ROFLOL!!

31 posted on 08/17/2010 8:23:59 AM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Osage Orange

I hope you know I was just playing along. Maybe I should have included a smiley or something. A sarcasm tag doesn’t seem to work for a post where you are just joking around.

I can’t stand to hear people use the word “ain’t”. My husband uses horrible grammar just to irritate me. I tell him he can use all the bad grammar he wants after I am finished teaching the English language to my children. They pick up bad habits from their daddy.


32 posted on 08/17/2010 8:32:19 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3
No worries....I understood. : )

Yes, kids are like Mockingbirds...

Funny story....when my oldest was around 3 or 4...we were in the backyard. I was on the lawn, and she was in the garden playing around. I thought I heard her say "dammit"....Yikes!!

I asked her to repeat what she said..and sure enough she had said it. Could not for the life of me figure out where see had picked that up....We didn't talk like that, and no one around her did either.

One day I noticed while watching..."Star Trek" with her ( She liked the show..as did I )..they said "dammit" now and again...

Of course she had no idea...that she shouldn't talk like that. And of course we corrected that!! Ha!!

Take Care...you are doing a wonderful thing with your children.

33 posted on 08/17/2010 10:26:22 AM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Osage Orange

Lol kids are funny. My 3 year old daughter has just started saying “I am do degradatated”. She heard it on the movie “Little Women” with Wynona Rider(sp?). The youngest daughter on the movie is always making up big words. I asked my daughter what “degradatated” meant and she said “it means I want my daddy”. Lol!


34 posted on 08/17/2010 11:15:45 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

That should read SO degradatated.


35 posted on 08/17/2010 11:16:48 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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