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1 posted on 08/18/2010 8:59:39 AM PDT by americanophile
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This is BIG. The ole War in the Balkan States between Orthodox and Ottomans.


2 posted on 08/18/2010 9:00:22 AM PDT by rovenstinez (,)
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3 posted on 08/18/2010 9:01:52 AM PDT by americanophile (November can't come fast enough....)
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This nation has gone over firmly to the dark side.

I shudder in shame and horror.


6 posted on 08/18/2010 9:04:50 AM PDT by eleni121 (Thank you J-LO for canceling your Turk gig - decent human beings don't sing for rapist Muslim Turks)
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When Obama was contacted about this, his response. Oh, that’s a local issue that I won’t comment on.... </sarcasm>


7 posted on 08/18/2010 9:06:31 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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It should be rebuilt ASAP.


8 posted on 08/18/2010 9:06:40 AM PDT by Androcles (All your typos are belong to us)
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Ping for old times' sake...
9 posted on 08/18/2010 9:07:14 AM PDT by americanophile (November can't come fast enough....)
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Islamic terrorists can destroy a peaceful Christian church yet our troops aren’t allowed to target mosques harboring terrorists.


11 posted on 08/18/2010 9:08:45 AM PDT by FReepaholic (The problem is they do not fear us.)
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George Demos, a Republican candidate for New York's 1st Congressional District, also has drawn attention to the negotiations. He released an open letter to President Obama Tuesday urging him to, as he did with the mosque debate, weigh in on the church discussions.


13 posted on 08/18/2010 9:12:08 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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Why the surprise??? Two factors:
1. An Muslimbie President
2. Arab money


14 posted on 08/18/2010 9:19:02 AM PDT by PORD (People...Of Right Do!)
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Shocked? Surprised? Dismayed? Why?


15 posted on 08/18/2010 9:19:42 AM PDT by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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Letter to President Obama From George Demos

August 17, 2010

President Barack Obama
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington DC, 20500

Dear Mr. President,

You recently offered your strong support for the right of the Mosque near Ground Zero to be built and stated that “Muslims have the right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country - that includes the right to build a house of worship.”

I believe that a Mosque near the hallowed Ground Zero where Islamic extremists murdered 3,000 Americans, including 168 from Suffolk County where I am a candidate for U.S. Congress, is inappropriate, provocative, and wrong.

While we may disagree on the appropriateness of the Mosque, we can surely agree that it is an issue of national importance that the only house of worship actually destroyed on September 11, 2001, the St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church, be rebuilt. For the last year, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey has refused to meet with Church officials and has placed bureaucratic roadblocks in way of rebuilding St. Nicholas Church.

The world is watching to see if the humble Church that stood as a quiet refuge at the crossroads of commerce will rise from the ashes of that fateful September morning and become a vibrant symbol of our faith and resiliency as a nation.

Mr. President, please stand up and defend our Judeo-Christian values, express your public and unwavering support for St. Nicholas Church, and ensure that it is rebuilt.

Sincerely,

George Demos
Candidate for U.S. Congress (NY-1)

Letter to President Obama From George Demos


17 posted on 08/18/2010 9:21:10 AM PDT by eleni121 (Thank you J-LO for canceling your Turk gig - decent human beings don't sing for rapist Muslim Turks)
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Not only should the church be rebuilt, but it should be rebuilt on the exact same spot.

We really miss the implications of things that we do.

Here we are moving a church from ground zero. Isn’t that a victory for Islam? Of course it is.

“Why look, we not only took out the WTC towers, but we took out a Christian church in the process, and the port authority has prevented it from being rebuilt. A victory for Alah.”

Is this the message we want to send?

Not just no, but hell no!


20 posted on 08/18/2010 9:36:38 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (UniTea! It's not Rs vs Ds you dimwits. It's Cs vs Ls. Cut the crap & lets build for success.)
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WTC site:

For Muslims Only


21 posted on 08/18/2010 9:38:25 AM PDT by samtheman
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Two words for the Port Authority: Hagia Sophia.

You better believe the Greeks won’t forgive or forget this one.


23 posted on 08/18/2010 9:44:09 AM PDT by Loyalist
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Mosque is paying for everything 100%

Church wants more taxpayer money than the Port Authority was originally offering. It seems like they got a tad bit greedy.

“The archdiocese and Port Authority now offer sharply conflicting accounts of where things went wrong. The Port Authority has previously claimed the church was making additional demands — like wanting the $20 million up front and wanting to review plans for the surrounding area. They say the church can still proceed on its own if it wishes.

“The church continues to have the right to rebuild at their original site, and we will pay fair market value for the underground space beneath that building,” a spokesperson with the Port Authority told Fox News”

I understand the outrage regarding the mosque, but wouldn’t you be even more upset if the mosque was demanding taxpayer funds for its inception? I’ve been following this for a few years and it seems like the people behind this Church want the original one to be “Super-Sized” on the taxpayer’s dole. Too bad real life isn’t McDonald’s.

“The church continues to have the right to rebuild at their original site, and we will pay fair market value for the underground space beneath that building,” a spokesperson with the Port Authority told Fox News”


24 posted on 08/18/2010 9:52:03 AM PDT by MaritS
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Oh. My. God. I have to go puke.


33 posted on 08/18/2010 10:28:46 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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Not SURPRISED. This is just the continuation of the old Christian East/West battle vs. Islamic East fight, which goes back CENTURIES.


36 posted on 08/18/2010 10:36:13 AM PDT by Biggirl (AZ Is DOING THE JOB The Feds Should Be Doing, ENFORCING The Southern Border! =^..^=)
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” MUSLIMS MUST ATONE BEFORE MOSQUE IS BUILT AT WTC, WHERE MIRACLES WERE THOSE OF JESUS

It is one thing to respect religious freedom and to nurture relations between all God’s people and everyone, but it is also wrong to forget that two huge buildings fell in New York due to religious extremism built on hatred.

That extremism came not from Christians or Hindus or Buddhists, but from militant Muslims, and before any Muslim center is built in the shadows of “Ground Zero,” Muslims need to atone for what occurred nine years ago next month.

However much most Muslims disdain the actions of radicals (and most do), it is a simple fact that a great tragedy costing innocent lives and untold psychological trauma was done in the name of Islam. The center is planned at the site of a building that in fact sustained damage during the attacks (when the landing gear assembly of one plane fell onto it).

The Cordoba House, as it would be known, “was supposed to be a monument to religious tolerance, an homage to the city in Spain where Muslims, Jews, and Christians lived together centuries ago in the midst of religious foment,” says The New York Times.

This is laudable. It is essential. There should be no knee-jerk reactions to that aspect. Do they have a legal right? They do.

“Supporters of the mosque and cultural center in lower Manhattan, including New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, say its development should stand as a testament to religious tolerance in America,” says Fox News. “They say it would be a mistake to equate Islam as a whole, and its practice in the United States, with Al Qaeda — and remind critics that Muslims were also killed in the attacks on the World Trade Center.”

But meanwhile, New York City authorities have dragged their feet in approving a Christian building, Saint Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church — which was destroyed on 9/11 by the collapse of the Twin Towers. It has spent nine long years trying to get building permits.

How about a Christian center?

For it was Jesus Who was witnessed — His intervention — by many of those who miraculously survived the disaster.

He was even seen (allegedly) by one surviving broker as a apparition.

Other Christians heard voices that guided them to safety. And before September 11 were a good number of Catholics who had premonitions or were miraculously kept away that fateful morning (or prepared for it).

On September 11, a man named Ron DiFrancesco who worked for Euro Brokers in the south tower at the World Trade Center found himself in a horrifying struggle to find his way down and away from the searing flames that would soon collapse the structure after the terrorists’ plane struck just below Euro’s offices.

Blocked from descending by a collapsed wall, a number of others were stretched face-down on the floor, crying and gasping for air, but something remarkable had occurred to DiFrancesco. “Someone told me to get up,” he says. Someone “called” him. The voice was male and insistent but belonged to no human. “Get up!” it said.

DiFrancesco did, with the sensation that someone or something was helping him up (”Hey! You can do this,” he swears he heard), and this terrified man was led to the stairs — where he saw a point of light, followed it, fought his way through drywall and other debris, and was directed through flames that normally would have stopped him.

DiFrancesco descended to safety moments before the skyscraper fell, one of just four people who survived from the 84th floor or above.

These and other accounts are in a book called The Third Man Factor (by John Geiger with Vincent Lam).

Afterwards, debris fell into the shape of a Cross (those two famous beams, a sign if ever there are signs), and clouds or lights shaped like crosses were also spotted in association with the towers.

Considering how many worked in those two buildings and surrounding structures, it’s a miracle many more did not die. But seldom is there talk of a monument to the Lord’s intervention — nor assurance that those two beams will be permanently allowed there.

There was also a mysterious trumpet player spotted in the days after the tragedy, which many felt was the Archangel Gabriel.

If so, we can find common ground here — with Gabriel — with Muslims. We should always do that. We are called to love Muslims. It is crucial to do this — critical. They too believe in the archangels. They honor the Blessed Mother. Jesus loves them. There is no place for hatred.

But to always cow-tow to other religions while ignoring Christianity is beyond unfair and inches toward the realm of persecution. Would a president have okayed a Catholic center at Ground Zero if Catholics had engineered the destruction? Would Mayor Bloomberg?

At the least, those behind the Muslim center should lead in the public atonement.”

http://www.spiritdaily.com/mosquegroundzero.htm


37 posted on 08/18/2010 10:45:28 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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Also, you can do with your property what you want. But only if its a mosque. No Walmart in all of NYC, no Church for you Christians.


39 posted on 08/18/2010 10:56:33 AM PDT by steve0 (My plan B: christianexodus.org/)
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ITS A TRAP!!!!!

This is a trap laid for conservatives, folks. They will agree to the Greek Orthodox Church IF everyone will accept the Cordoba Intiative.

42 posted on 08/18/2010 11:03:28 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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