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Ron Paul: Left and the Right Demagogue Mosque, Islam
Business Wire via CNBC ^ | 08/20/2010 | Ron Paul

Posted on 08/20/2010 8:55:24 PM PDT by speciallybland

Congressman Ron Paul today released the following statement on the controversy concerning the construction of an Islamic Center and Mosque in New York City:

“Is the controversy over building a mosque near ground zero a grand distraction or a grand opportunity? Or is it, once again, grandiose demagoguery?” .“Is the controversy over building a mosque near ground zero a grand distraction or a grand opportunity? Or is it, once again, grandiose demagoguery?

“It has been said, “Nero fiddled while Rome burned.” Are we not overly preoccupied with this controversy, now being used in various ways by grandstanding politicians? It looks to me like the politicians are “fiddling while the economy burns.”

“The debate should have provided the conservative defenders of property rights with a perfect example of how the right to own property also protects the 1st Amendment rights of assembly and religion by supporting the building of the mosque.

“Instead, we hear lip service given to the property rights position while demanding that the need to be “sensitive” requires an all-out assault on the building of a mosque, several blocks from “ground zero.”

(Excerpt) Read more at classic.cnbc.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: freedom; groundzeromosque; liberty; lronpaul; lunatic; nutjob; paul; randpaul; ronpaul; sniff; sniff31; youknowhesnuts
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To: shibumi

“You do realize that the last quote did not refer to anyone involved in this conversation, don’t you?”

No. I read;

Well, I’ve got to tell you, it really does my heart good to see that I could be the catalyst in the budding phase of this beautiful relationship you guys have developed. There’s an image in my head that just about sums it all up for me. Something I saw in a movie ... what was it now? Oh, Yes! It was the scrawl across Col. Kurtz’s diary in the movie “Apocalypse Now!” If I have it correctly, it said something like:
“Exterminate Them!”

It read as if you were saying the two of us should be exterminated, no?


81 posted on 08/22/2010 9:45:58 AM PDT by jessduntno (The Grand Old Potty needs to be flushed ... vote Conservative in November.)
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To: jessduntno

No.

I was making a tongue-in-cheek reference to your mutual “discussion” in the hopes of lightening up the atmosphere, followed by a “modest proposal” on how to deal with the original topic of the thread. (Which, although it might be viewed as extreme by some, is only a reflection of the attitude shown to us by our enemy - the whole Muslim world - no matter what guise of civility it may wear in the name of Al Taqiyah.)

Sorry if I was less than crystal on that one.


82 posted on 08/22/2010 9:51:44 AM PDT by shibumi (Pablo is Miley- wily, clever and detractive as all get out!)
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To: jessduntno

Sodomy is a moral evil. I have to assume you are a modernist who thinks “tolerance” is the new religion, but I am not buying what you are selling. But the DailyKos will welcome you with open arms, so why not take your propaganda over there where you are wanted, Republicrat.


83 posted on 08/22/2010 9:57:34 AM PDT by cothrige
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To: jessduntno; shibumi
It read as if you were saying the two of us should be exterminated, no?

Ha ha ha ha ha! Well, I guess it proves that it isn't only my posts that get put through the RIG (random inference generator). Lots of fun. One never knows what strange idea one actually meant to promote until jessduntno puts it through the RIG and tells you what you secretly are. Always thought you loved your wife? No, one look at that love letter reveals you are secretly a muslim homosexual pornographer out to destroy the American way of life. Thought that was a laundry list? Stupid person, of course not. It was a manifesto by a secret muslim homosexual pornographer out to destroy the American way of life. What, the Declaration of Independence? More like the Declaration of secret muslim homosexual pornographers out to destroy the American way of life!

Quick, call now and get a second Random Inference Generator FREE! All you have to do is pay shipping and handling.

84 posted on 08/22/2010 10:07:52 AM PDT by cothrige
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To: shibumi

“No. I was making a tongue-in-cheek reference to your mutual “discussion” in the hopes of lightening up the atmosphere, followed by a “modest proposal” on how to deal with the original topic of the thread. (Which, although it might be viewed as extreme by some, is only a reflection of the attitude shown to us by our enemy - the whole Muslim world - no matter what guise of civility it may wear in the name of Al Taqiyah. Sorry if I was less than crystal on that one.”

No problem...it was puzzling to me, I gotta admit. Maybe my new Euro-centic friend was right, I’m not too bright at times.

I think it a real shame he got so worked up and thought I was “Dotty” and after I started to “recognise” from his expressions and spelling that he might be a Euro-poster flying an American flag on his page, I got even more pissed...and I might be wrong about that, too, but I think not. There are a lot of Americans who try to use Brit slang to appear intelligent, so who knows, maybe I am wrong about his Islamic appeaser/apologies/sympathies ... but I don’t think so. And now that I understand your post, I couldn’t agree more, especially with the “modest proposal.” I would like us to be swift about it, too.

Thanks for the note.


85 posted on 08/22/2010 10:07:59 AM PDT by jessduntno (The Grand Old Potty needs to be flushed ... vote Conservative in November.)
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To: cothrige

“I consider it rude to interrupt a conversation, and I always view these things as conversations.”

You were not pinged, therefore not included..


86 posted on 08/22/2010 10:10:51 AM PDT by jessduntno (The Grand Old Potty needs to be flushed ... vote Conservative in November.)
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To: jessduntno
But, you are pinging me. If you don't want me to comment then why do you keep pinging me?

Obviously you are new to FreeRepublic, and didn't realise this is a forum where people post in response to articles which are submitted. Pings are a courtesy, not a limitation. If you don't want to discuss things with somebody, don't respond to them, and if you don't want people reading what you say then don't post it at all. It really is that simple. But, you can't expect your conversation to be akin to a private room where you are free to promote your love of the homosexual agenda without comment from conservatives who disagree, such as myself. And when NAMBLA lovers make contributions I think they deserve correction. If you don't like objections to any secret muslim homosexual pornographic desire to destroy the American way of life then go on back to your fellow believers at the DailyKos where you will not be disagreed with. I have no doubt they love RepubliCrats there.

87 posted on 08/22/2010 10:31:43 AM PDT by cothrige
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To: This Just In; cothrige

I hate to bust your fine rant, but you totally misread cothrige’s post. It’s NOT that we so much provoked the Mooselimbs as that we kept coddling the worst of them, the Saudis, by buying their oil instead of developing our own resources, by treating them as good people when they are NOT and by totally underestimating and misreading the level of hate from the Mohammedans toward us and the west, even though we’ve had much evidence over the years. Do you suppose it was helpful to OUR cause to see pics of W walking hand in hand with a Saudi prince on his ranch? Or refusing to do anything besides bloviate after the Cole attack? No, we overlooked and ignored much and it came back to bite us in the butt big time. What do we do next? I don’t know for sure. It’s apparent that we cannot go on appeasing them. It has never worked and won’t at all. Do we nuke them? What do we do? Keeping in mind there are a billion or so of them.


88 posted on 08/22/2010 2:46:03 PM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: dcwusmc

Correction, it was Clinton who bloviated after the Cole attack. I didn’t intend that it look as if I were blaming W. He did enough on his own without adding Clinton’s sins to his.


89 posted on 08/22/2010 3:23:49 PM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Ron Paul resembles the mutant spawn of Mickey Dolenz and Marshal Applewhite.


90 posted on 08/22/2010 3:39:00 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: dcwusmc; This Just In
Well put. As I see it we have made mistake after mistake, and are making more as we speak. Every time the moment arises to react with purpose and strength against the aggression of Islam, what do we do? Bend over and suck up. It really does make me sick. We couldn't drill for oil in our own reserves, and now Obama has stopped drilling offshore. Money, money and more money to our buddies in Saudi Arabia. Clinton had chances to get bin Laden, and didn't do it. He had attacks to respond to, and didn't, or at least not effectively or with courage. What did America under Clinton actually do to respond to the obviously mounting hostility of these people, to use the term very loosely, and by doing that avoid the inevitable on 9/11? Effectively nothing. And while after 9/11 Bush did do better he wasn't really much better. We still funnelled billions of dollars to the arabs, and he even allowed a rather shocking number of people with potential connections to bin Laden to leave the US after the WTC attacks just because he wanted to please the Saudis. And to see him walking, hand in hand with that Saudi prince like he was his girlfriend, that just about made me sick physically. It was the perfect image of how America treats her enemies and why we were so vulnerable to attack in the first place.

And then there is Israel and Iran. Here we are, sitting back waiting to see if tiny little Israel, the only nation in the Middle East that doesn't have a holiday dedicated to our destruction, will do something we don't like to Iran. We are throwing Israel, our only real allies over their, under the bus because we want to suck up to who? Muslims! Un-frickin-believable. And people tell me about weakness and softness. You want soft, look at our foreign policy and there it is. This is what America does about Islam and terrorism. In the future when more attacks come down I won't hesitate to hang responsibility right where it belongs. People can say I blame America all they want, but until we admit the facts we cannot fix anything, and really do what needs to be done.

91 posted on 08/22/2010 4:45:55 PM PDT by cothrige
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To: cothrige

In my never to be humble opinion, our next move, as a nation, MUST be to restore God to His proper place in our continuum and depose, however we must, the left/liberal/progressive influence in our politics and restore our God-given Constitution to ITS rightful place as Supreme Law of the Land.

After that, we can deal with our EXTERNAL enemies, as they are not a serious threat to our freedoms so much as our homegrown leftists and progressives are. And THEY only if we continue to hide our heads in the sand and pretend that all is well in the world if only we just elect so and so ‘cause he is such a serious REPUBLICAN after all. It has gone far beyond parties, with there being effectively only ONE major party. So it must then break down into playing Cowboys and Progressives before we can play Cowboys and Mohammedans.


92 posted on 08/22/2010 5:06:49 PM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: Clemenza

Clem, Dr. Paul is far more often correct than not. So if you feel that he’s wrong in this case, EDUCATE the man instead of deriding him. I would far rather have seen HIM in the White House than either its current occupant OR Juan McLame. I sincerely believe there would have been no apology tour, no bailouts, and the start of a return to Constitutional government. He might have to learn about the threat Mohammedanism presents, but he DOES believe in national defense. AND I believe he would have closed our borders, unlike Juan or Obambi OR even some folks’ sainted Dubya.


93 posted on 08/22/2010 5:14:06 PM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: dcwusmc
So it must then break down into playing Cowboys and Progressives before we can play Cowboys and Mohammedans.

I absolutely agree with this, and I think you are right both in theory and practice. I personally believe that the greatest threats to our liberty are right here at home, and it is because of them that we are more vulnerable to threats from abroad. And of course we cannot address any foreign threats without leaders prepared to do it, and a system which expects them to. Right now we seem to have none of this, and so yes, we must take on the Left right here, and that includes many Republicans I fear, and find a way to assert our foundational values and principles again.

94 posted on 08/22/2010 5:30:05 PM PDT by cothrige
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To: cothrige; shibumi; humblegunner
Alex Jones?? Isn't he the pussy/retard who tried to pick a physical fight with a girl half his size (maybe because he thought he had a remote chance of winning against Malkin)?

RuPaul was on with him?????

Ah, maybe RuPaul was impressed with Alex's "manliness." Must have wanted to sniff his jockstrap. That's the ticket.


95 posted on 08/22/2010 7:58:29 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
For all his brilliance on domestic and monetary issues,

And therein is your fundamental shortcoming. You confuse parroting with "brilliance."

No.

Von Mises was brilliant. Friedman was brilliant.

RuPaul isn't "brilliant."

Someone who occasionally (or even often) adopts a correct position is just that...correct (in those circumstances). Adoption doesn't equate to brilliance.

I agree with the theory of relativity, but I'm no Einstein.

I follow the law of gravity. That doesn't make me Newton.

Not that anyone gives a fig.

96 posted on 08/22/2010 8:04:29 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido
You know, I don't know much about Alex Jones, and never heard about any altercation with Michelle Malkin. As far as I know he is a radio host with a penchant for conspiracy theories. Would that be right?

But it really doesn't bother me if people go on shows like that. Candidates have gone on all sorts of stupid shows, some on MSNBC, and I don't hold it against them. You try to get what you are saying out to as many people as you can and I don't expect people to refuse specific radio shows just because the host has goofy ideas. Maybe Ron Paul agrees with Alex Jones, but I wouldn't presume that just because he was on the show.

97 posted on 08/22/2010 8:08:53 PM PDT by cothrige
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To: Larry Lucido
Someone who occasionally (or even often) adopts a correct position is just that...correct (in those circumstances). Adoption doesn't equate to brilliance.

I think this is a very good point, and well put. I generally like Ron Paul, with qualifications, but I think you have put this very well.

If I may say this though, I don't think you score any points with anyone by using the term "RuPaul." It doesn't really seem to apply as a denigration. Ron Paul is a lot of things, and is wrong as many people are about things, and in that I think he deserves criticism. However, he is not a drag queen and so the allusion is lost on me. Why use it at all as it seems to distract from your larger points?

98 posted on 08/22/2010 8:15:02 PM PDT by cothrige
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To: cothrige

Here is the retard. A real man. /s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-DoxqvqjxM&feature=related

(Jones confronts Malkin at DNC).


99 posted on 08/22/2010 8:17:19 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido

Well, I only watched it for a minute or so before I decided I had seen enough, but yes, I agree, he seems like a jerk. But, I am not sure that really reflects on Ron Paul for being on his show. If he has an audience, and Ron Paul wants to be heard, I guess I can tolerate him being on it. For me it would come down to what Paul says rather than who he says it to.


100 posted on 08/22/2010 8:25:20 PM PDT by cothrige
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