Madison woman helps fund abortions

Wisconsin State Journal ^ | 8/22/10 | Doug Erickson

[SatinDoll]

I like what you have to say.

But neither of us walk in the shoes of another. It is their choice, not ours. God gave humans free will for a reason.

No woman should be forced to carry the child resulting from a brutal assault. It is my opinion she should be free to choose whether to do so or not.

What you and I think doesn’t really matter.

[christianhomeschoolmommaof3]

“If not, you have no right to be upset if your cousin has 50 unneccesary abortions.”

That should say “your relative” not “your cousin”. Sorry!

[christianhomeschoolmommaof3]

“No woman should be forced to carry the child resulting from a brutal assault. It is my opinion she should be free to choose whether to do so or not.”

Is an unborn child a human? Do human beings have the inalienable right to life? Should any woman be able to deny a child the right to life?

Why should a rape victim be able to deny the child a right to life?

It shouldn’t be a choice. The government is supposed to secure our liberties. They have failed to secure the rights of this child.

[SatinDoll]

“...my stand on abortion always has been the same; that it should be treated much like homocide.”

I said that on post #55 and firmly believe the only justification for abortion is to save the life of a woman so she can have a future pregnancy.

But I also believe abortion should be an option, a choice for rape victims, mostly to prevent them from committing suicide. Once again, the aim is to save a woman’s life so she can bear a child in the future.

[christianhomeschoolmommaof3]

I read that in your earlier post.

A person can take the life of another in self defense. If a pregnancy is threatening the life of the mother then abortion is justifiable.

In the case of rape, the pregnancy itself does not present a threat to the life of the mother. If her mental state, poses a threat to her life, she should seek professional help. An abortion is only going to add to her emotional problems. It will not help them.

The woman is still ending the life of a person that is not threat to her life.

[TigersEye]

Abortion is not about saving women’s lives!

49,551,703

Total Abortions since 1973

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Why the drop after 1960? (in deaths of women from illegal abortions)

The reasons were new and better antibiotics, better surgery and the establishment of intensive care units in hospitals. This was in the face of a rising population. Between 1967 and 1970 sixteen states legalized abortion. In most it was limited, only for rape, incest and severe fetal handicap (life of mother was legal in all states). There were two big exceptions — California in 1967, and New York in 1970 allowed abortion on demand. Now look at the chart carefully.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Abortion Statistics - Decision to Have an Abortion (U.S.)

· 25.5% of women deciding to have an abortion want to postpone childbearing

· 21.3% of women cannot afford a baby

· 14.1% of women have a relationship issue or their partner does not want a child

· 12.2% of women are too young (their parents or others object to the pregnancy)

· 10.8% of women feel a child will disrupt their education or career

· 7.9% of women want no (more) children

· 3.3% of women have an abortion due to a risk to fetal health

2.8% of women have an abortion due to a risk to maternal health

----------------------------------------------------------------------

So how many women’s lives have been saved by abortion?

Less than 3% of abortions since 1972 were reported to be “due to a risk to maternal health.” A reasonable person would recognize that not all of those cases represent a lethal risk. But let’s say they did. That means that nearly 45 million fetuses were butchered to save the lives of about 1.3 million women. Or put another way; 35 babies are killed to save each woman.

Abortion was legal in all 50 states prior to Roe v. Wade in cases of danger to the life of the woman.

Roe v Wade: FULL Text (The Decision that wiped out an entire Generation 33 years ago today)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Chosen Child

Studies Find Abortions Have Long-Term Effects

An Unexpected Correlation: The Legacy of Abortion

Study: Previous Abortions Linked With Pre-Term Birth and Cerebral Palsy

American Psychological Association Ignores Abortion-Depression Link

Study finds depression suffered by 80% of women who abort

Post-Abortion Counselor Confirms Abortions Cause Women Mental Health Issues

Abortion and Premature Birth Link Confirmed in New Study

Spanish Medical Expert: Damage to Women Caused by Abortion is Scientifically Proven

Science Catches Up with Religion Researchers prove fetuses have memories, know mothers’ voices..

Women Need More Mental Health Treatment After Abortion, New Study Finds

Teens Cope With Unwanted Pregnancies Better Than Abortions, Study Shows

New Study: Top Reason for Women's Abortions is No Supportive Partner, Father

New Study: Direct Link Between Abortion and Mental Health Problems

Researcher: Johns Hopkins Paper Biased on Abortion-Mental Health Issues

Abortion Linked to Higher Rates of Child Abuse, Study Finds

Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows

Recent Poll Reveals Most Americans Think Abortion Hurts Women

Planned Parenthood Misleads Women on Abortion's Mental Health Risks

Study: Abortions Cause Future Relationship Problems, More Domestic Violence

[snowflake2428]

Anne Nicol Gaylor=Satan Incarnate.

She must also profit financially from her evil. How can they have a real job when they sit around the house glued to the telephone 24/7 waiting for it to ring?

[wagglebee]

Pregnancy can be risky and women do die in childbirth.

Have you got any actual data that suggests that rape victims are more likely to have complicated pregnancies than other women?

NOBODY is suggesting that women in actual life-threatening situations not be allowed to have any medical procedures necessary to save their lives and that includes abortions regardless of whether the pregnancy was the result of rape or not.

You are trying to create some sort of correlation between rape and high-risk pregnancies and such a correlation simply DOES NOT EXIST. You claim to be opposed to abortion, but all the while you are repeating NARAL talking points.

It should be the rape victim’s choice whether to have that child, not yours.

Funny you should use the term "choice."

Which is it, is your concern threat to the mother's life or do you just think it should be a "choice"?

[trisham]

Thank you for sharing your story, lj. It must have been very difficult, but it may keep someone else from making a wrong decision.

We all make mistakes. Hopefully, we learn from them and even more hopefully, others can learn from them too.

[trisham]

because I’ve been one.

*************************

I'm very sorry to hear that. From all that I have read and understood, it is an experience that alters a woman's life forever.

[little jeremiah]

I was thinking of having the mods delete it but what the heck.

Wag told it before from “anonymous”, in more detail.

Freepmail coming your way.

[reagan_fanatic]

A direct hand in the murder of 18,986 umborn children.

What a ‘legacy’.

[trisham]

I know that people can be influenced and that they can change their beliefs by what is posted here, because I have been. Even if no one knows who we are, not only does posting a story such as yours take courage, but our words can and do affect others.

[mlizzy]

But I also believe abortion should be an option, a choice for rape victims, mostly to prevent them from committing suicide. Once again, the aim is to save a woman’s life so she can bear a child in the future.

How can two brutal acts make a woman feel any better than one brutal act and the gift of a child (to someone)? If a woman feels she may commit suicide because she is pregnant from a rape, an invasive bloody scraping and vacuuming of her womb to empty its live contents (evil expensive "doctor" rape and murder) is not a way to cure an emotional issue.

To work on emotional issues, it is very beneficial to start by asking forgiveness for one's sins. I received forgiveness for my abortion through confession to a priest. Also there is Rachel's Vineyard (a very positive compassionate group; "healing the pain of abortion; one weekend at a time" founded by Dr. Theresa Burke) for post abortion help.

[little jeremiah]

People can change, and that is the wonder of life.

[wagglebee]

I’ve talked with a lot of women who have had abortions and a lot of women who have been raped.

With counseling, rape victims are generally able to recognize that they were victims of a violent crime that wasn’t their fault.

On the other hand, women who have had abortions eventually must face the reality that they were the perpetrators of an act of violence against an innocent baby. They have a much harder time coming to terms with this.

Women who abort children of rape have the hardest time of all because they eventually have to deal with the fact that they took their anger out on an innocent child. Many of these pregnancies come from date rapes where the woman chose not to pursue charges against the rapist and the guilt of that is incredibly difficult for them to deal with.

[little jeremiah]

That is beautifully and clearly said.

And what happened to me (actually twice) was a sort of form of date rape.

Freepmail coming your way.

[RnMomof7]

I wonder how she would like legalized euthanasia after 80 so the world has room and funds for those babies..

Would she willingly pay for her own?

[trisham]

On the other hand, women who have had abortions eventually must face the reality that they were the perpetrators of an act of violence against an innocent baby. They have a much harder time coming to terms with this.

Women who abort children of rape have the hardest time of all because they eventually have to deal with the fact that they took their anger out on an innocent child. Many of these pregnancies come from date rapes where the woman chose not to pursue charges against the rapist and the guilt of that is incredibly difficult for them to deal with.

************************

It makes sense that this would be the case in abortions following rape. It's very sad.

[trisham]

It certainly is.