Posted on 08/22/2010 10:34:20 PM PDT by smokingfrog
Baltimore - A ban that's designed to protect the Chesapeake Bay from a dangerous pollutant went into effect more than a month ago and you may not even noticed. That ban impacts the detergent we all use in our dishwashers. ABC2 News Investigator Joce Sterman explains what's been cut out of the cleaning product and where we found banned items out for sale.
She's got kids, a career and still has to make time to do those households chores. It's obvious Lutherville’s Jenny Atwater is a busy mom with plenty on her plate. She says, “I hate unloading the dishwasher and I really hate unloading the dishwasher and seeing the dishes seem not very clean."
But Atwater has noticed that’s been happening a lot lately. She tells us, "I do notice there tends to be more stuff left with this detergent, just stuff that normally would have been washed away probably."
The dish detergent she's talking about is phosphate free. Jenny made the switch a few months, and chances are so did you, although you probably didn’t even notice. Jenn Aiosa with the Chesapeake Bay Foundation says, "The average consumer doesn't know."
Marylanders may not be aware that automatic dishwasher detergents with phosphorus are now banned in this state and more than a dozen others. The ban is thanks to a law put in place to help get rid of one of the biggest pollutants in the Chesapeake Bay. Aiosa explains, "It's really something that's relatively easy in the grand scheme of things for consumers to do but can have an impact."
The impact is something you should already be seeing on store shelves, but it took awhile to put this plan in place. Dennis Griesing with the American Cleaning Institute says, "It was a significant undertaking."
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You are a peasant. Your lords wish you to starve. Cleaning dishes will not be a problem for long.
Well, I can dream can't I? Has anything we have ever done to fix perceived pollution ever done any good? I have yet to see an article that does anything but tell me I must sacrifice even more.
Don’t know about the dishwashers, but steer clear of one of those HE washing machines. They are a major pain. I’m forever trying to wipe the gasket and run vinegar or ammonia or clorox through it to prevent smelly clothes. Some of the earlier versions don’t drain properly.
I think that would be a wise decision. Maybe make a midnight run to MD to sell some bootleg soap.
Isn't that illegal?
I can’t find a decent in candescent light bulb, just these poison spewing curly duds. What’s next, Barry, you sonofabitch?
Hmmm, you’re giving me ideas!
Actually, I don’t know that the stuff classifies as soap ... but it does have a slippery feel to it, and an hydroxide odor.
I live in se WA, a state that also bans phosphates. Recently there was a news story here about some women from Spokane who drive over to ID to get the banned stuff. They don’t think phosphate free detergents clean all that well, so they have become scofflaws.
Someone mentioned not too long ago that you could use vinegar in the dishwasher. I wonder, what viscous liquid would go well with vinegar that would rinse away? I know! A touch of shampoo! ... But wait, that will prompt the commie Kenyan Klown to ban soap in shampoos then. ... Just can’t win with commies and nazis.
LOL. I read that at one time in South Florida that the freon-12 smugglers were making more money than the drug smugglers.
I dust mine off and re use them.
Butt I am picky about my toilet paper.
I found some of these at Lowes the other day.
# Mercury Free
# Dimmable
# Instant on
Just like the old standard bulbs used to be but they cost twice as much!
Just use paper and plastic, when you’re done throw it out. Or better still - just burn it.
make home soap...but I Bet You know that. Recipe.
But DNA has phosphates in it..... These people are against DNA!!!!
” but steer clear of one of those HE washing machines. They are a major pain. “
My Kenmore Elite HE is excellent.
I just looked up HE washing machines and dishwashers. Apparently both need extra cleaning or unwelcome odors occur. We’ve never had to clean the inside of our old dishwasher. Using the hot cycle probably has something to do with it. So much for saving the environment when one has to use water just to clean an empty dishwasher, not to mention re-washing dishes.
Go to The Dollar Tree and get the old ones for $1 a box. Name brands like Sylvania :>}
I live on Long Island. About thirty-odd years ago the Suffolk County Legislature passed a similar ban. It eventually went away when it was found that the phosphates didn’t show up in our waterways or our water supply.
More politicians with a lot more time on their hands than common sense in their heads!
Stay away from anything Maytag. I need a new one too, but haven’t started looking yet. I need one that lasts more than three years.
Oh no! I had my eye on a Maytag Jetclean.
My current, broken-down one is a Jenn-Air that’s already been repaired once, leaked and ruined my new floor, and the racks are rusting-out.
Unknown secret.
Electrolux.
Now this is a crisis.
I am the dishwasher. What I can’t handle the dogs usually can.
We've had a Samsung for over a year. It does a great job. Just leave the door open after washing to let it dry out. No problem with smell. Never wiped the gasket or used any cleaners.
The Chesapeake Bay is already on it’s last legs, thanks to Chicken Poop used to fertilise fields, No till grass killers used in farming. Sewage from over flowing treatment plants, too many houses built on the water, Waste from cats and dogs being discharged into storm sewers which aren’t treated, from Baltimore, Washington DC, Richmond.
The crabs are dying out , the oysters are already dead or dying.
In my youth if I got a bad cut. my mother would take me down to the river and let me swim for a while, and the sore would heal. Now if you have an open sore and you get close to the river you couls lose your arm.
I live on the Potomac and am afraid to let my Grandchildren get in the river. Watermen here have lost their infected fingers and some have been hospitalise from getting a cut from the crab pots. I had to go on antibiotics myself from a cut while fishing my pots.
I have a very basic Bosch dishwasher, purchased new 5 years ago when we built the house. It freaked me out for a week because it was so quiet, I was constantly checking to make sure it was working!
Until recently it washed dishes beautifully. No gunk, leftover bits or film. But because I read the post here on FR about phosphates being removed from detergent I noticed when Cascade phased it out of the box I buy at Sam’s. Since then I’ve noticed a film on the dishes and more food particles left over.
I’ve yet to try the vinegar trick. It’s hard to catch the Bosh between cycles.
My folks bought a Maytag clothes washer. Thing was a lemon, and couldn’t get service from the company. Had to replace it in a year.
Most dishwashers have an "Extra cleaner" cup on the door. When the door closes, it dumps in the extra detergent, then when it is appropriate in the cycle, the regular detergent door releases.
Go to the hardware store and buy a box of TSP, Trisodium phoshpate. Put that in the "extra Detergent" cup, and reconsitute the missing ingredient that way, or blend it with the New Earth Soap, and use as usual.
What you’d need is a truck, a box on a chassis that is weather tight. It should be nondescript and not draw attention, you know, like an RV.
You could set up a flea market stall and sell out by noon. Or, stay home and ell from Ebay and ship every single day via USPO or UPS
Tips:
Always use the HE detergent. Regular detergent creates too much suds and will cause premature machine failure.
If you have regular strength HE detergent, use 2 tablespoons.
If you have 2X, only use 1 tablespoon.
The odor you are getting is from using too much detergent. The detergent is enzyme based. If it does not get completely rinsed out, it will grow in your washer. The odor is "soap mold", much like forms in a shower.
You can buy a product from Menards, Lowes, etc. called "Affresh", it will clean the mold out.
I would avoid vinegar and ammonia as these could lead to premature failures in gaskets and seals.
Stoopid me, replying to my own post ‘cause I forgot: You get the “Commercial Use” bulbs at the distributors - 130-volt so use a 100W where you would usually use a 75W, but the laaaassst! I have bulbs installed 9 years ago still in service...
Just go to your local Ace Hardware store and buy a box of "TSP." Trisodium Phosphate. Add a bit to your load and all will be fine.
We have a Maytag and it is a superior machine. It cleans dishes with out precleaning and is of excellent construction with out the minor failings of other machines that died.
I was stationed in southeast D.C. in the early and mid 60s, our flight line was next to the Potomac. The shore line there was always littered with condoms and dead domestic animals - not that much different than the rest of D.C.
TSP is great stuff. We used to use it, under pressure with water, for cleaning tractors, it cut right through any kind of grease and grime.
Yes, a great deal of good. Lead contamination, chemical, crap in the air land and water are all manifestly better.
This is mainly because our world had become so polluted between 1845 and 1970 that the average person was very much on board with cleaning up our planet.
But the wackos who people the green movement don't do what they do out of concern for the environment. They want power over people's lives and so they scream that the sky is falling all the louder. Ever wonder where the ‘parts per million’ number that used to accompany most stories on the latest threat to human life and habitation went? They have become embarrassingly low so they are avoided. The wackos (or 'Evil ones' take your pick)have even taken to making up threats out of whole cloth to add to the considerable power they have accumulated to themselves since the first 'earth day'. Evil doesn't have a day job.
No, you will have to wash your dishes before putting them in the dishwasher, that’s all........................
“I live on the Potomac and am afraid to let my Grandchildren get in the river.”
I hear you. Know an old guy who fell off his pier into the Magothy. In the process, he cut his leg. Within days he had to have his leg removed. Scary $hit.
The enviro nutcases made us get rid of Freon in our air conditioners 20+ years ago, to “fix” the Ozone Hole.
The Freon is gone. The Ozone Hole is still here................
There’s plenty for sale in the stores down here.....maybe I just found a new line of work.
Place your orders,
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