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Company Audits Up, Illegal Worker Arrests Way Down Since 2008
FOX NEWS ^ | 08/23/10 | FOXNEWS

Posted on 08/23/2010 6:21:25 PM PDT by Doogle

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We were just told a week or two ago that Odumbo's arrest numbers were more than Bushes when it came to illegals....guess it was just another lie.
1 posted on 08/23/2010 6:21:27 PM PDT by Doogle
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To: Doogle

Hate to defend Obama, but this is not a bad approach. Making an example of the employers who hire illegals is much more effective that arresting individual illegals (and letting the employers off the hook).


2 posted on 08/23/2010 6:23:41 PM PDT by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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Barry and his comrades were using Bush’s “numbers” and claiming them as their own. Damn liars. Since the muslim rose to power, those numbers have fallen off dramatically.


3 posted on 08/23/2010 6:24:08 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (DemocRATS! America's Taliban!)
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To: rbg81

If illegals are not deported, they just move on to another job with new phoney papers. The “new “ approach is just a new tax on business ,without offending Mexicans too much.


4 posted on 08/23/2010 6:37:19 PM PDT by omegadawn (qualified)
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To: rbg81
Hate to defend Obama, but this is not a bad approach. Making an example of the employers who hire illegals is much more effective that arresting individual illegals (and letting the employers off the hook).

What if the companies raided are those that do not pay the illegals what Obama deems a fair wage or they are companies that Obama considers enemies of his agenda?

What makes more sense here considering the handling of this specific issue along with all others -that Obama is strong on the agenda of the people -stemming and reversing the tide of illegal aliens OR that Obama selectively enforces that which promotes his own agenda -"amnesty"?

5 posted on 08/23/2010 6:48:35 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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since when is it impossible to do both...


6 posted on 08/23/2010 6:51:47 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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Under Obama, employer audits are up 50 percent, fines have tripled to almost $3 million and the number of executives arrested is slightly up over the Bush administration.

Rather, over the last year of the Bush administration. Bush's record for immigration enforcement during his first seven years was abysmal. Even Bill Clinton did a better job enforcing the immigration laws than Bush.

7 posted on 08/23/2010 6:56:07 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Got some numbers?


8 posted on 08/23/2010 7:05:51 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Doogle

You wanted “Change” America.

How do you like it?


9 posted on 08/23/2010 7:07:15 PM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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Barry and his comrades were using Bush’s “numbers” and claiming them as their own. Damn liars. Since the muslim rose to power, those numbers have fallen off dramatically.

I wouldn't be so haughty about George "I never met an illegal alien I didn't love" Bush's record on immigration enforcement. His record is clear --he loved Mexicans more than he loved Americans.

During his first four years, Bush not only didn't enforce the immigration laws, but also ordered immigration enforcement to be virtually shut down.

Under Bush, worksite arrests of illegal aliens fell some 97 percent, from 2,859 in 1999 to 159 in 2004. Investigations targeting employers of illegal immigrants fell more than 70 percent, from 7,637 in 1997 to 2,194 in 2003. Arrests on job sites fell—precipitously, from 17,554 in 1997 to 445 in 2003. Fines levied for immigration-law violations fell from 778 in 1997 to 124 in 2003. Notices of intent to fine employers fell from 865 in 1997 to just 3 in 2004.

Given Bush's poor record during his first term, the half-hearted effort during his second term looked statistically fantastic. Can you say, legacy-building?...

In contrast, when the Bush Administration began enforcing immigration laws, the number of worksite arrests jumped from 845 in fiscal year (FY) 2004 to 6,287 in FY 2008,[10]and 276,912 illegal immigrants were deported in FY 2007. [11] Pro–illegal immigration groups did not like those actions, but these figures are not "merely looking tough." (See: Time to Stop the Rush for "Amnesty" Immigration Reform

10 posted on 08/23/2010 7:17:07 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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Are you making-up numbers and passing them off as Heritage’s? That’s mighty poor form.


11 posted on 08/23/2010 7:23:55 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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Got some numbers?

Yeah. I never cease to be amazed of how many stand up to defend Bush's record on immigration.

Time to Stop the Rush for "Amnesty" Immigration Reform

Instead of building on past progress, over the past year the Obama Administration has reversed a number of effective interior enforcement efforts begun under the Bush Administration. Secretary Napolitano has argued, "We have replaced old policies that merely looked tough with policies that are designed to actually be effective."[7] However, the numbers suggest otherwise. The number of worksite arrests is down "by more than 50 percent from fiscal year 2008 to fiscal 2009." Specifically, "administrative arrests of violators of immigration laws fell 68 percent from 2008 to 2009, criminal arrests fell 60 percent, criminal indictments fell 58 percent and convictions fell 63 percent."[8] Secretary Napolitano has pointed to increased efforts to target criminal illegal aliens as proof of her tougher policies, but in 2009, the number of criminal arrests of foreign nationals is up only slightly from the numbers of arrests in 2008 and 2007.[9]

In contrast, when the Bush Administration began enforcing immigration laws, the number of worksite arrests jumped from 845 in fiscal year (FY) 2004 to 6,287 in FY 2008,[10]and 276,912 illegal immigrants were deported in FY 2007. [11] Pro–illegal immigration groups did not like those actions, but these figures are not "merely looking tough."

De facto Catch and Release. Until the second term of the Bush Administration, illegal immigrants caught inside the United States were given an order to appear in court and then released back into society until their court dates. Predictably, most never appeared in court. The Bush Administration replaced this failed "catch and release" policy with a "detention and removal" construct that focused on detaining apprehended illegal immigrants until they were processed for removal.

Even though this next document is in favor of so-called "Comprehensive Immigration Reform", the numbers they present do show what I'm saying. Namely, immigration enforcement under Bush fell dramatically, and never came back up to what they were before he took office.

See: Mission Accomplished II: The Bush Record on Immigration Enforcement

12 posted on 08/23/2010 7:26:15 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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In other words, you made up the 97% number, thanks.


13 posted on 08/23/2010 7:28:05 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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Are you making-up numbers and passing them off as Heritage’s? That’s mighty poor form.

Yep. Just like always. /s

Why are you ignoring Bush's record on immigration?

14 posted on 08/23/2010 7:28:12 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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In other words, you made up the 97% number, thanks.

Of course, if you really wanted to prove me wrong, you could simply post Bush's record.

15 posted on 08/23/2010 7:30:22 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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So audits are up and fines have nearly tripled. This is good, employers won't hire illegals if there's a good chance it will cost them money. And illegals won't come unless they can find work.

But what about the illegals already here? ICE still has a habit of simply releasing illegals, who then change identities, forge new papers, and rejoin the workforce. It's very possible they'll get caught again, and their employers fined again (and again, and again).

Pretty good scam, huh? Why fix a problem when you can profit from it? The concept sounds familiar...

16 posted on 08/23/2010 7:30:31 PM PDT by ZOOKER ( Exploring the fine line between cynicism and outright depression)
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I’m not ignoring a damn thing. If Bush’s numbers on the issue are so bad, you shouldn’t have to make them up out of whole cloth, that’s all.


17 posted on 08/23/2010 7:30:43 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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Of course, if you really wanted to prove me wrong, you could simply post Bush's record.

ROTFLMAO

18 posted on 08/23/2010 7:31:27 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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I’m not ignoring a damn thing. If Bush’s numbers on the issue are so bad, you shouldn’t have to make them up out of whole cloth, that’s all.

If I'm so far off-base you should have no problems posting the numbers to prove it.

Let's see just how great he was compared to his predecessor and his successor.

19 posted on 08/23/2010 7:34:17 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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Even Bill Clinton did a better job enforcing the immigration laws than Bush.

Prove it, or STFU. I'm not here to give you a foot massage.

20 posted on 08/23/2010 7:35:23 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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