Posted on 08/24/2010 6:37:15 PM PDT by RobinMasters
The State Department is maintaining a "counter-misinformation" page on an America.gov blog that attempts to "debunk a conspiracy theory" that President Obama was not born in the United States, as if the topic were equivalent to believing space aliens visit Earth in flying saucers.
However, in the attempt to debunk the Obama birth-certificate controversy, the State Department author confirmed Obama was a dual citizen of the U.K. and the U.S. from 1961 to 1963 and a dual citizen of Kenya and the U.S. from 1963 to 1982, because his father was a Kenyan citizen when Obama was born in 1961.
In a number of court cases challenging Obama's eligibility, dual citizenship has been raised as a factor that could compromise his "natural born" status under Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution. The cases argue dual citizenship would make Obama ineligible even if documentary evidence were shown the public, such as the hospital-issued long-form birth certificate that indicates the place of his birth and the name of the attending physician.
The entry "The Obama Birth Controversy" was written by Todd Leventhal, identified as the chief of the Counter-Misinformation Team for the U.S. Department of State. The office appears to have been established "to provide information about false and misleading stories in the Middle East," as described in a biography of Leventhal published on the U.S. Public Diplomacy website.
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In Indonesia there was no dual citizenship before 2007 or 2008. Now dual citizenship can be had for children of mixed nationality parents. Obama is supposed to have traveled to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport. He had to be an indonesian citizen through his mothers marriage, and Obama’s adoption by Lolo Soerto. He could not get an Indonesian passport without renouncing any dual citizenship.
And my wife was one until at age 21. She declared for the US because Filipine law at that time required adults to make a decision.
If his real father (e.g., Frank Davis) were a US citizen, this would all be academic.
Okay. Obama’s ‘life history’ defense team is strong and extensive. Somebody funded all that defense. It’s not just scrubbing, it’s much more. Corsi had no subpoena power. And even with subpoena power, it will take a strong event to cause fear of perjury among these defenders. We need a break.
Such breaks are from G-d. A matter of holding on and surviving until they avail. “Many are the ills of the righteous, but the L-RD delivers him out of them all.”
>>The US doesn’t recognize dual citizenship.
“Someone better tell my daughter, she has a Japanese and American passport.”
Someone better tell my wife too, she has a Philippine and American passport.
Ah, yes. WMD, the “Debka File” of US web news. “Birther Central.”
Are you tonight’s sacrificial lamb from DU?
I don’t doubt what you are getting at.
My beef with Corsi was, he said he had the goods, and he didn’t. That was my only point.
No doubt we need a break.
“If his real father (e.g., Frank Davis) were a US citizen, this would all be academic.”
Would think there would be some sort of fraud felony charge that could be pressed.
His parents would have had to choose which one - Kenyan or English - some time after his birth.
Given that his parents had already split up, that would have probably been a duty his mother didn’t bother with.
So it would have probably been up to him to make a choice when he turned 18,
Obama lost his United Kingdom (not "English") citizenship on Kenya's independence in 1963. The 1963 Constitution of Kenya specifically defines Kenyan citizenship. The Kenya Independence Act of 1963, the legal instrument that relinquished the UK Parliament's ability to legislate for Kenya, stated that any person who became a Kenyan citizen at independence lost their UK citizenship.
There was no choice per se. Unless certain specific steps were taken to not be a Kenyan at independence, you became Kenyan. A former Mau Mau like Obama Sr. would not have taken those steps. So they would not have been taken for his son either.
America has been allowing dual citizenship for a number of years, but at the same time has never “officially “ reconized it. U.S. laws are based on the belief that a citizen can only have allegiance to one country. obama’s dual citizenship at birth does make him ineligible to be President. He can never legally be the President of the United States.
Good point.
Quick! Somebody get a screenshot of this so it can be used as Exhibit A when this guy is charged with violation of the Federal General False Statement Act.
US does recognize dual citizenship. You could be a dual citizen with almost any country up to the age of 18. After that things get murky. I personally know people who are over 40 and still maintain dual US/UK and US/Japan citizenship.
As far as I understand things, while you could not become a dual citizen (unless you are born that way), to lose one of your passports you have to voluntarily renounce that citizenship, it can not be taken away from you. Failing to renew a passport is considered equivalent to renouncing your citizenship.
So, if you conscientiously renew both your passports, you could maintain dual citizenship your entire life.
At least theoretically.
It's a bit more complicated than that. The United States does not "recognize" dual citizenship. There is not a legal status of "dual citizen" in US law. US law simply acknowledges that dual citizenships exist. And that many Americans have a second or even third citizenship.
An American can acquire a second or third citizenship the following ways.
1. Birth in the United States to two foreign national parents.
2. Birth in the United States to one American and one foreign national parent.
3. Birth overseas, but with at least one American parent.
4. Naturalization as an American, but the country of birth refuses to acknowledge the renunciation of former citizenships in the US naturalization oath. (Being a US oath it cannot bind another country.) This would only be an issue if the new US citizen had to travel to their old country.
5. An American being naturalized as a foreign citizen but not explicitly renouncing their US citizenship. Naturalization alone is not legally a renunciation. You have to explicitly renounce it and stop acting as an American. If you continue to use a US passport, identify yourself as an American or otherwise act as an American then you are considered an American under US law.
Failing to renew a passport does not, in most cases, cause you to lose a citizenship. It definitely does not occur with a US citizenship. It may or may not occur with other countries.
I just had a weird shock - reading in the paper that someone I once went out with and whose wedding I attended is now a major Hildebeast supporter.
I have friends with US/Canada and US France. Three of my own siblings have US/German.
The USA recognizes that dual citizenship exists...independent of US law. So if you have or gain citizenship IAW another country’s law, it has no impact on your US citizenship - UNLESS you specifically renounce it by going to the State Department and swearing an oath that it is your intent to lose your US citizenship. You can even serve in another country’s military without losing US citizenship.
From a natural born citizen perspective, it doesn’t much matter. If you are a citizen of the USA by birth, you are a natural born citizen according to the courts. You can have TWO alien parents, and still be a NBC if born in the USA.
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